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Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 67920)

Do you believe the supermarket thing? Even if it is true, telling you about it is clearly a tactical move.

What type of tactical motive do you think she has then? Do you think she is testing me to see if I genuinely like her or something?

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Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 67920)

I may have called her out on that one.

What do you think you would have said?

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 67919)

Since this date this girl has been messaging me a lot more than before. I have maintained my flirtatious sexual frame and she seems to like this. She messages me asking me what I'm up to, told me that another guy tried to get her number in the supermarket, and several times now has asked me if I have met other girls (in a positive way). She seems to be wanting to help me out in finding a girl.

Ok. I am seeing this girl tonight now. She is coming to an art event with me. If she wants to continue resisting my advances then she can be my wing-woman.

Whilst setting up the meet up, we just had a rather amusing voice message exchange on the WeChat app.

Her: how much is the exhibition?
Me: Free
Her: I like free things
Me: So do I
Her: I know you do. You like free sex (a reference to me calling her sexy)

Follow up game/date update: The art gallery & bar

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 67919)

This morning I get some voice messages from her on the WeChat app asking how I am and what I'm up to. I tell her I'm off to an art event this evening and to come join me. We walked towards the art gallery and after about 3 mins of chat she said she was going on a trip to London next week, and told me she was wondering if she should stay at her girl friend’s house or guy friend’s. Then she said that something had ‘happened’ in the past with the guy. I asked her what, but she wouldn’t say. In line with her telling me about guys hitting on her in Aldi and on the bus, it seems she might have been trying to make me jealous again.

Anyway, we went to the gallery and watched an artist’s talk. This was interesting enough, and their was a bit of fun kino between us at times slapping and punching each other. Then we left the gallery and I took her to a new bar. There she launched into various converstions about relationships and my views on them. She said she was writing a blog about it all. She then asked me how much I would invest in a girl in getting her, and this turned into a fun comparison of a girl's value in stock market terms.

She then started talking about what she saw as her trouble with meeting guys, and how they were never at the right time and in the right place. To me it started to seem like she was talking about me. She asked me if I was looking for a relationship, but I told her that I don’t just make a conscious decision about if I’m in one or not, and I think they develop naturally. We then start talking about girl’s knickers design and my views on that, then about girl’s boobs sizes. That bit was pretty damn cool.

As we chatted the kino was strong, facing each other, hands on her legs, back, etc, and good eye contact. Probably should have tried to kiss her in the bar... So we walked towards her house, said bye, again she wouldn’t let me kiss her. Kissed her on both cheeks this time, and then she told me I should shave.

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 67929)

So we walked towards her house, said bye, again she wouldn’t let me kiss her. Kissed her on both cheeks this time, and then she told me I should shave.

It sounds to me like she just enjoys flirting with you and teasing you. Or she expects you to put in a hell of a lot of work to get her.

She is playing games with you.

You should consider your other options at this point. Keep a variety of options.

Try to envision how things will progress from her not letting you kiss her, to you banging her from behind.. I bet you can't visualise it.. because the signals aren't there..

Tell her you have a date with another girl and gauge her reaction... however don't take it at face value, because after all, she is female.

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 67937)

Tell her you have a date with another girl and gauge her reaction... however don't take it at face value, because after all, she is female.

As she seems so interested in me meeting other girls perhaps I should get it out in the open and tell her I am.

I get the feeling I'm going to have to play more of a 'game' myself with some of these girls. I am being too straight forward and letting them think they can have everything.

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 67940)

Don't need to play any games, just don't give everything away at once.
Cat string theory

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 67944)

Don't need to play any games, just don't give everything away at once.
Cat string theory

I think I have been giving them too much validation in a bid to be more direct and maintain a sexual frame (for fear of falling into the friends zone). I need to balance this out a bit more and leave room for guesswork on their part.

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Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 67946)

How deep is this fetish? Is it to the extent that you don't find other girls attractive anymore? Or, do you think you'll be fucking them thinking "Yeah, you're hit and all that but I wish I was banging a less fit oriental girl"? Or, something else.

Two of my past girlfriends were oriental, and since then I have developed a bit of an unhealthy fetish. I had found them fairly easy to get into bed. Now I am struggling where I thought it would be easy. This in turn makes me try too hard, and they either lap up the attention giving nothing in return, or get scared off. I have allowed this to take over my life to a large degree in my desperate bid to lay them. I am not only driving you lot crazy but obviously myself. I need to step back and stop trying so hard... I said this a few weeks ago, but have fallen back into that fatal trap.

I have interest from an English girl i met from an art gallery a couple of weeks ago. I should probably meet up with her. Perhaps it will restore a level of sanity to all of this.

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 67929)

Follow up game/date update: The art gallery & bar

This morning I get some voice messages from her on the WeChat app asking how I am and what I'm up to. I tell her I'm off to an art event this evening and to come join me. We walked towards the art gallery and after about 3 mins of chat she said she was going on a trip to London next week, and told me she was wondering if she should stay at her girl friend’s house or guy friend’s. Then she said that something had ‘happened’ in the past with the guy. I asked her what, but she wouldn’t say. In line with her telling me about guys hitting on her in Aldi and on the bus, it seems she might have been trying to make me jealous again.

Anyway, we went to the gallery and watched an artist’s talk. This was interesting enough, and their was a bit of fun kino between us at times slapping and punching each other. Then we left the gallery and I took her to a new bar. There she launched into various converstions about relationships and my views on them. She said she was writing a blog about it all. She then asked me how much I would invest in a girl in getting her, and this turned into a fun comparison of a girl's value in stock market terms.

She then started talking about what she saw as her trouble with meeting guys, and how they were never at the right time and in the right place. To me it started to seem like she was talking about me. She asked me if I was looking for a relationship, but I told her that I don’t just make a conscious decision about if I’m in one or not, and I think they develop naturally. We then start talking about girl’s knickers design and my views on that, then about girl’s boobs sizes. That bit was pretty damn cool.

As we chatted the kino was strong, facing each other, hands on her legs, back, etc, and good eye contact. Probably should have tried to kiss her in the bar... So we walked towards her house, said bye, again she wouldn’t let me kiss her. Kissed her on both cheeks this time, and then she told me I should shave.

When she asked where should she of stayed, you should of said " Stay at the guys, you will have a smashing good time " with a big smile on your face :)

I cant beleive she wouldnt net you kiss her, She is playing silly little girl mind games to amuse her self using you.

Like others have said, next time your talking and she asks to meet up just say sorry ive got a date, If she reacts to it tell her " well you didnt want to kiss me so I thought you wanted to be friends :) :) "

The big problem is, she is the dominant entity in this " relationship " she decided not to kiss you, it should be the other way round. thats the mindset you need to have

She feels like she is in the position of control . whther this mindset can change I dont know, but if not you just need to leave this one dude