Thanks Stein for your feedback. I agree its possibly a limitation in my game, that I'm aware off, and because of that, I'm choosing to work with my strengths.

Everyone has there's own way to game. One persons way doesn't automatically mean it works for another. They key is to make sure we all achieve the same objectives.

Not looking for one night strands so building solid rapport and comfort is imperative to my game which I find lounging areas key to that.

Any venues?

Something I've learnt from being in this game for far too long is, It's not about achieving the results, it's about beating yourself. Take the advice given to you, sometimes others can see what you can't

Think I know where you're coming from dude. Similar to myself. I'll answer your question..."any venues?" with almost the same words...yes "any venue".

Meaning anywhere you are you can work the situation around with some thought to it.

e.g. she's sitting on a bar stool and you are stood beside her, you can get close enough. You are both standing...easy. Take her for a walk. If you're both lounging back in a squashy sofa it's more awkward in my opinion.

Just use your noodle, it's not rocket science.

Avoiding having to develop game is not a way to game. What you're doing is externalising your lack of certainty on how to move things along and blaming the environment. It's not the environment. It's game. What you're doing here is analogous to a lot of problems new people come up with. i.e. they'll ask for help with a specific situation and the only general solution is 'get better'.

Again, the idea that a lounge area is important for building rapport and comfort is silly. I seriously don't get the link. Sofas and booths are comfortable maybe? What?

This isn't playing to your strengths. It's avoiding the problem. If you think you can only escalate in one area then you don't know how escalation really works. As such you have no real basis to judge what that area might be just yet.

You said you've had some success doing this, so again I'll ask because it's important to know if you want the right advice. What do you mean by success?With how many girls have you had success? And if that's working why don't you just keep doing that? If what you're doing isn't working for you then we can help if you'll listen. But if your plan was to play to your strengths and what you're doing is already getting you what you want, then why not just keep using the same bar?

Also even if we were going to suggest bars, the most important question (the first one I asked) is where in London are you based. I may know an amazing bar in Croydon but that's fuck all use to you if you live in Swiss Cottage. Incidentally doing dates in Central London bars is for the most part retarded.

If I could only escalate in lounge areas with nice sofas I'd have never got laid...

How the human race managed to procreate before the invention of the sofa I just don't know.

The only threads on this forum which get posts and replies are always the most pointless ones.

Well, slap myself in the head. Your right fellows. It's a limitation that I need to work on.
This is why I joined the forum in order to get complete honesty as I currently operate without a wingman.

Will push forward and develop other strategies, not just the "lounging one".
Thanks

Date location hmm

Indoor rockclimbing
emotions are there, trust, 'life' in each others hands, watching each others arse go up and down
exercise, hot and sweaty
something different

so basically you have asked us for somewhere you can go to touch people?
creepy.. haha
also the fact you are searching and thinking about this means you are in the fail zone
get out of it- dont care, whatever the location.
forget the outcome- it doesnt matter, just be present and not outcome dependant

thats if you really need somwhere