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Mad_Fer_It · 02-04-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PostScript

Sure you did, you came from a charmingly condescending frame. Plus you are projecting the falsehood that I said I am an enlightened mind, just to rubbish that projection with the depression comment, which is a transparent, although likely unconscious method of spin to reinforce your own perspective. Clearly if I still enjoyed the state, I would not be having this conversation which I am already regretting allowing to continue. I just raised that something temporary happened to me for two weeks, which was interesting and suggestive, and which others have experienced too for a very long time, including people involved in self development and on this forum. Had you experienced it you wouldn't put it in remotely the same box as the things you mention, it's not a "nuts and bolts of life with growing pains" type thing...as I say we're not naive just because it sounds a bit spiritual and flighty.

PS

OK maybe we're just arguing over simple terminology. Plus you're reading too much into my posts. i'm simply debating that these 'moments' that people are talking of are examples of 'enlightment'. I, along with everyone else have moments of clarity...but actual 'enlightment' is something totally different - I'm not nearly pretentious enough to considered myself 'enlightened' at all.

I'm not going to suggest a book that you probably won't read, but this bit from wikipedia gives a very quick overview of what 'enlightment' was for the Buddha....it just seems very different from these little moments that people on here seem to be talking about.

Gautama Buddha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PostScript · 02-04-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Fer_It

OK maybe we're just arguing over simple terminology. Plus you're reading too much into my posts. i'm simply debating that these 'moments' that people are talking of are examples of 'enlightment'. I, along with everyone else have moments of clarity...but actual 'enlightment' is something totally different - I'm not nearly pretentious enough to considered myself 'enlightened' at all.

I'm not going to suggest a book that you probably won't read, but this bit from wikipedia gives a very quick overview of what 'enlightment' was for the Buddha....it just seems very different from these little moments that people on here seem to be talking about.

Gautama Buddha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK so we're climbing out of our entrenched positions, phew. There is room for compromise here. I don't entirely disagree actually, some of these things do not reflect enlightenment although they are still of value, but some truly do reflect a glimpse of it. Just not the permanent article else we wouldn't be having this discussion obviously! But just because you can't relate to it from personal experience, doesn't mean the other is trying to be pretentious or arrogant by describing something that happened to them, that's kind of a projection as people's experiences differ.

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Status · 10-04-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by whistleblower

Never had a nano-second of enlightenment.

I sometimes on the other hand (this is gonna sound weird and whenever I try to explain it to someone they dont get it so I just leave it) feel for a very short time that I am disconnected from myself, as if I am looking through my eyes from the view point of someone unfamiliar with who I am. Actually it has not happened for ages but it always used to scare me.

Yes I've had this a few times. I look at my hands and it's almost as if they're someone elses.