I think it's creepy if your not confident or ask her, if your confident and just presume it's going to happen and tell her, then it's not weird, frame control. If you presume it's going to happen and act like it's an inevitability it generally happens. I find LMR happens a lot when you take it too slowly and wait for her to give you signals to proceed. Shock and Awe is better, the sooner your both naked together, the less chance there is of LMR. Just out of curiosity has anyone ever tried "The Naked Man" (from how I met your mother).

I've always wanted to try the HIMYM "Naked Man". I reckon it'd work to be honest. It's a ballsy move though!

By the way, just my two cents, but if you're getting LMR after sofa smooches, you probably kiss like a goat. I'd look into that!

look just to re-address this post

LMR, ive nailed loads of girls at my house, their houses on the first date, but there are some maybe 20% that LMR me because they dont want to give it all up quick and want to see me again--they think i wont bother calling them again afterwards.

I am passionate-- i do the throign against the wall when they dont expect it, neck biting, hair pulling etc--but still there are SOME girls that get all moral and upity and LMR me--
What i wanted was, rather than the full on kissing, biting, hair pulling part--before that i wanted to build awesome sexual tension that seems innocent in the name of fun but is arousing for her

Although the biting the trapezius rather than just the neck is a new one on me but a good one

I`ll come down your neck of the woods and you can rate me, man snog

Well theres always the get her incredibley drunk option?

Seriously though if they feel like they're not going to see you again perhaps you should work on assuring them that you're feeling drawn to them earlier on. Not the needy way but you're starting to feel the bond.

Once you get them home or they are in your bed, if you play your cards right, they shouldnt/wouldnt be able to say no. I was out with this girl on Friday. Before the date, she was adamant that there would br no sex on a first date (yeah right). At the end of a fab evening, I told her to come to mine and I would drop her home the next day. Still she said "No Sex". But once she was in my sweet-smelling boudoir, we fucked, end of!!

To be honest with you mate, I wouldn't be looking for some sort of game like spin the bottle to get her wet, I just cant see any sort of tactic like that working too well. LMR is one of the few things in game that I've ever struggled with or had to give a second thought. I feel the key is to be persistent, yet persistent within her limits. By this I mean if she lets you do something she likes i.e. stroke her hair, kiss her neck, brush ur lips against hers... do it, do it alot! But dont just suddenly grab her minge and hope for the best! She will always give in the end (that sounds a bit rapey but hey ho!) Well maybe with the exception of if she really really likes you and wants a relationship with you, in that case its just a patience game.

Simply having an extreme sexual presence will win you the pony nearlly every time, I have non PUA friends who struggle with LMR all the time. They get a girl back start kissing on the bed try to pull down her panties to grab on to a cage triple padlocked. Often they go wrong because they let it offend them that the girl pulls back either by obvious body landuage or verbally saying so (which by the way is a recipe for an argument waiting to bake) just smile and dont let it affect you, it confuses the girl and sometimes this is all it takes as she will no longer feel sex is a form of control she can have over you. Ideally she will submissively bend over while you tap that ass!

As a guy who has borderline a high libido condition I feel I make some use from it, strong sexual energy is over-powering for most woman provided you do it right. I suppose the key precaution I take is not to go for the goods too early. If you start off kissing, continue to kiss for a good 10, 15 even 20minutes, however long it takes. Thats going to have her so much more aroused than a game of twister. Additionally this shows your not just trying to fuck her and and fuck off which IMO is largely what LMR is about. Another thing I like to do is give them a kiss (with tongues) pull back say 'this is naughty' and then carry on, the girl always digs it . Most men try and escalate on a girl almost like an anatomy guide, not suggesting you do this but i'll chuck it in for other readers who might. They kinda think right... lips, pussy, in pussy bang! MISSION COMPLETE.

No no! Even after you've kissed for a while slowly get to her panties its not a race! leave her fully clothed after kissing. Then slowly peck at her neck while rubbing the back of her neck and start to kiss down towards her pussy slowly pulling her top up to reveal her belly, stop at around her belly button and then slide your knee inbetween her thighs gently and then kiss at her neck again, etc. God I feel like a sex education lecturer now, but anyway i'm sure your beginning to see my point. Anyway good luck .

Got my little fella out in the office then and almost broke No Wank Feb

Different to you--i would never move down to lick her pussy before i ahve sampled it with my fingers-- sticking your head down there and removing clothes leads you into potential nasty surprises--like a big hariy muff and then you are semi commited to take one for the team
or random fanny odour--least if you sample it with your fingers first you get the idea wether your tongue should go anywhere near it.

lol, true isn't it... despite the fact your repulsed by a hairy bush, by that point you have no choice but to go along with it. Oh and as for the no wank febuary... your a brave soul!

If you can get a girl back to yours or the theirs it's so on it's unreal. A well socially conditioned woman is not naive. Just a little self justification of what they're doing is not slutty.