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12-02-2011, 10:44 AM
It has been a while I know. Work has been pushed up to eleven and they broke off the knob. But I have been trying a few things here and there when ever opportunity arose.
After my last night out, which seems like weeks ago, I was told that maybe the day game is a better option for me. So I looked a little bit into it on the internet. Just to see what is different and what are the rules that I should follow. At first glance it did seem a better fit. But that is all the time I had to look into it. Just a glance. Then it was back to work for me. In the mean time I have been doing this one drawing to relax. It is of two girls making out. Easily my best work yet. The people with whom I sarged with last week knows the one I am talking about. I was astonished by the high amount of positive female attention I have been getting from this drawing. I honestly thought that a blatantly lez drawing would be off putting. But no. Even a 50 year old women on the train made it a point to come over to me and say how much she liked it. So ok. I am going to draw more of that in the future. So after one stressful day at work I decided to stop by a small coffee shop about 5 minuets from my home. Relax for a little while and finish off my drawing. The people know me there already. I stop by at least once a week. As with many of the other girls the female staff here responded alot more than usual to this drawing. So I thought I should try a little day game on the one girl. I was not expecting anything. It was more just to try it out and see what happens. I told the one girl there that I was just about to finish this drawing. I jest needed another ten minuets or so. Fifteen minuets later I was walking to the exit as though I was intending to leave. I turned and said good bye and the same girl asked. "So did you finish it?" I said that that I did. I also added that I am now looking for another girl to draw. I suggested that maybe she would like to pose for me. I was a little surprised to see her face genuinely consider this. At this point I knew I had nothing to follow this up with. I needed to think of how to respond to what she might say. The only thing I could think of was to leave her wanting. I also knew that she would be the next morning again. So I smiled at her. Nodded a good bye and left. That night I thought of several things I could say to her the following morning. But it seemed to all be pointless. As soon as she saw me walk in she smiled a big smile and signalled me over. "I thought about what you said last night. Yes I would like to pose for you." she said while playing a little with her hair. I saw the other two female co-workers. They where both giving a knowing smile. Clearly she must have talked to them about this. I responded with approve. I also put a time limit on the situation by telling her that I was on my way to work. Which was true actually. After a brief conversation we exchanged contact information. So I think a Woot is in order. My first win. So this is where I am now. I doubt this girl is someone with whom I see having any kind of long term relationship. I also truly hate the words I am about to use because I feel it demeans her as a person alot. But I need a practise girl. I need something with whom I am able to mess up with. So I know what to say and do when some one realy special comes along. So the advice I am hoping the members can help me out of goes along the lines of. Ideas of what to say/do when .... - meeting the girl to discuss how we are going to do this. - she comes into my home(or her home) to make her feel relaxed. - she is naked and I am drawing her to make her feel special and beautiful without sounding creepy. - we are done and to leave her wanting more. Cheers all.     
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12-02-2011, 11:13 AM
The idea that you need to practice is correct. But if you think of her as a practice girl, then you will not be in the same space as when you meet someone you think is special. Treat every girl as the special girl, and you'll get a much more genuine experience.
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12-02-2011, 12:05 PM
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I really loathed to use the word "practice girl". The connotation does not relay my intent towards her as a person. But it does describe my goals for personal growth and experience. The words descriptive powers is more for me than us. If that makes scence. If you could please give me a word that better describes what I am trying to say then please let me hear it. "Practice girl" is just to cold.
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12-02-2011, 12:55 PM
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Rational vs. Creative -
12-02-2011, 01:52 PM
My last post was Rebus sarcasm; here is a dose of Rebus constructive opinion for you.
Rational vs. Creative At times, the way that you externalise your thought process, including explaining the advice that you seek, is pure "if-then-else" and step 1, step 2, step 3 process sub-routine. You need to take the exceptionally creative and masculine energies of your drawings of naked chicks and express these energies in your dialogue and, ideally, to yourself thus loosening up the thought process of your internal dialogue. - Expressing that honest, up-front, non-sleazy, confident, essential sexual masculine energy with chicks (an example I wrote before for you is re-posted below) is key for you to take a quantum leap ahead. - Secondly, flexibility of thought, "take it as it comes" in your game plan [example below] with chicks, will allow you to respond in "real-time" to situations as they develop. Game Plan / Master Strategy - treat her with respect, open doors for her, as soon as she is at your flat (or pub) ask her what she wants to drink, "let me take your jacket", turn her around and gently ease her jacket off her shoulders [all examples of masculine leading] - in event of her being naked [*], then it's total respect and non-sleazy regarding the situation, e.g. is it warm enough for you here? Are you comfortable there? But fair game for "you have wonderful skin" or "how do you stay so slim?" [masculine confident expression, holding eye contact with her] * I personally think this is too much a jump for you, and personally I wouldn't dream of hitting on any of the female models after I finish one of my life drawing classes, as the context is grossly inappropriate, but... well each to their own... and I guess here she has agreed 1-1 time in a social context, which is different from a model surrounded with twenty artists in a work context.- have as one of your primary goals the following: find out about her. - I repeat, one of your main goals: what's her deal? You could use drawing as device to go back into her childhood ("so what sort of drawings did you do when you were a child?") and if she expressed some strong interest in your drawings, later combine it with a embedded challenge to her about adult opinions and interest from other women ("I meet a lot of women interested in my drawings, but what I really like is the very occasional time when someone understands it, who really gets it, someone who really enjoys the passion and beauty of art"). Read the bold bits on their own to see what I've done with my language (NLP). - getting her naked to draw her AND at some point later hitting on her, is kind of like false pretences. So personally I recommend her keeping her clothes on. Then you can feel more liberated to kino her, brush her hair back, put music on and salsa-dance turn her around, basically keep the mood light-hearted, fun, but definably a man-woman dating vibe. Quote:
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12-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Imo this can potentially be a bit creepy and back-handed if you aren't careful with it...Just relax and draw her picture.
I draw (pretty well). I always take a sketch pad on my travels. I find all this kinda stuff works better overseas than it does in the UK. Maybe it's do with our miserable weather, no one wants to stand and pose in the rain right? -Do a few warm up sketches that involve looking directly at her and never down to your pad. Also never take your pen off the bad for these sketches. Call these 'warm up' sketches. They actually do help losen you up. And also if you can find an excuse to stare into her eyes like this but don't do it in a creepy way, chances are she'll get hot and bothered and attracted to you. The drawings will look really weird and expressive, but if you re half decent (which I guess you are, they will capture the essence of the person in a way can be abstract and visually interesting), Also it can kinda disarm her. Since you aren't just trying to draw a photo of her but to capture something more that's deeper within. -Close your eyes and touch her face like that blind girl in that Leonel Richie vid does. Literally feel your way around the shape of her face. Just ask persmission first of course. This can be intense as fuck for her if you do it right. Just do this confidently and softly. (Imagine your hands are auditioning for the right to touch the rest of her). Remember it's about one of the only instance in which you can get away with touching someone's face like this. And it does actually help with capturing the shape of the face in drawing to boot. -Don't make a big deal out of it. Condition yourself to think of her as 'just' a model, remember she's just a resource that you are making use of. That's it. If she wants to be anything more than that in your eyes she'd better start trying to demonstate her 'other' values and qualities to you. And she will. -I'd say don't pay her any compliments at all. It goes without saying that she has some kind of attraction value to be worthy of drawing in the first place, don't over egg the pudding. If you have to comment on her appearance, make observations, that are neither posetive or negative stuff like 'you do really have a wide gap between your ear and your eye don't you?'. just like you would about the architecture of an old church you are sketching or whatever. Since she's the same, just another subject, till she proves herself otherwise (if she wants to). -Don't expect anything. Doing this is it's own reward. And if you go into it with that mindset you'll be more likely to provoke her into wanting you to see her in a different more sexual/sensual light...she' ll want to NOT be just another one of your models. Just my two cents. Good luck with this one mate. I'd love to see the sketches too 
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12-02-2011, 04:50 PM
Maybe I am alone in this but I think if you genuinely want to practice drawing the human form go to life-drawing classes, that is purely non sexual. I think by asking this girl to pose for you (and I assume you wish for her to pose naked for you) sounds quite sly and creepy as your real intent is masked behind the smokescreen of a more innocent request to her to pose as your muse.
If that is the case, I find that quite unsettling.
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13-02-2011, 05:56 AM
Do the triggerhappyTV thing of sketching them there and then, chat them up, make it look like ur drawing and ten minutes later show them the sketch and its just says 'YOURE CUTE, LET'S GO OUT!'
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13-02-2011, 02:04 PM
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 All any of this 'Seducation' bull shit ever really boils down to is learning the ability to exhibit your various different qualities and traits in ways that insure women can percieve them and respond to them favourably imo. What's sly about that? 
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