Vaccination
 

Jaz asked in the shoutbox, 'who's getting the vax', but I think it would be a better-situated conversation here.

I'll start.

I don't want one. I'm genuinely not comfortable having this thing injected into me. I appreciate medical professionals attempting to reassure those of us who are hesitant, but your explanations don't make me any more comfortable.

Anyone I know who's had it was absolutely drained for days afterward. I'm not going to voluntarily do that to myself. And then there's the blood clot malarkey. Then you have to get a second dose. And then the next thing you know, it will be is yearly shots. And people will take them because they've already committed themselves to the procedure.

I saw a lady comment on a post a while back, that "Josef Mengele would be proud" and it made me laugh hard.

Couple that with the societal pressure that's rapidly increasing, with the more people who get it, and I'm even less likely to take it. It's like, "nobody cares about your concerns, just shut up and take it". Well, no. Fuck you.

I often bang on about much literature I read, based around the topics of Totalitarianism, Authoritarianism, Dictatorial rule, and all that. That's why all this shit, as a lived experience, is fucking mind-blowing to me, because for the last year, most of the planet has been living under varying levels of Authoritarian rule. At the start, when the whole world had been shut down within the space of about three weeks, I had a massive panic attack one evening, lasting about three hours. It scared the shit out of me how fast the whole world was placed under control.

I'm not trying to make this some sort of conspiracy conversation, just pointing out my thoughts and fears of how easy it is to have practically everyone shitting themselves and following orders.

The other day, my new manager and a few others were having a discussion about when they were due to get their second dose. He turns to me and goes "have you had your vaccine yet", and I said, "no, I haven't been contacted about it". It irritated me how it was said so assumptively as if it's just a given that everyone is going to want it and to get it.

Even more interestingly, however, is that I felt pressure not to outright say that I wasn't getting it, but instead that I hadn't been called on. This, I see as, a subtle example of the pressure the unvaccinated minority is going to be facing. Of course, he's my manager, so I had to tread carefully for obvious reasons. It's not like I can just say fuck off, as I would to a lot of other people.

Anyways, I'm not comfortable getting it, and based on my keen interest in the topics listed above, I'm very much determined to experience for myself, exactly how things play out for people who don't get it.


Over to you, people. Who's getting it? Who's not? Why? etc.

I think comparing the vaccine to Mengele is pretty fucking gross tbh.

A lot of what you're saying here is very vague. What specifically do you think the big authoritarian plan is here?

I never said there was a big authoritarian plan, I'm just pointing out how frighteningly authoritarian everything has been for the last year, and how it all pretty much happened overnight.

Obviously, there was "justification" for much of it, due to a virus flying around, but it's just astonishing, the mass obedience to authority at the click of a finger.

If it's justified then it's not just obedience to authority. Are traffic laws just mass obedience to authoritarianism?

That we have to wear masks in the street is not justified. However, I’m not at all surprised that everyone I see except me does it. That’s how it is always in life. I used to explain to everyone in the UK how they could very simply never pay for gas and electricity, no one ever did it except me. That’s useful. There are loopholes that innovative people can take advantage of and they don’t quickly become a huge problem that gets addressed by the relevant powers because most people won’t do it for various motives.

And there is no need for a vaccine, it’s not justified either. Rapid testing available for the public to purchase would have got rid of this cheaply and within a few months but no nation allowed that. It is not clear why and there’s no point speculating on that.

In general, I’m ok with the obedience and predictability of others.



No. I’m not taking it.

I currently am not afraid of coronavirus and am willing to take my chances with it. I’m early 40s. I am healthy (regular intense exercise, nutrient rich clean whole food diet, I supplement and get blood tests, i don’t smoke or drink alcohol, I have no known co morbidity stuffs). I live alone, work from home, only socialise outdoors and in general only go inside a building that isn’t my flat when it is unavoidable to do so. I didn’t get it while it was at its most widespread and the risk is now reducing and approaching a practical 0, for people who live like I am loving it is already a 0. There are many more things that are far more risky that I don’t inoculate myself against in life, this is a new one for the list. Yo, if everyone lived like me we could have eradicated this and a bunch of other diseases over the last 18 months.

Furthermore, I can just let everyone else take it (see above). That’s the whole point of living in societies, they afford advantages to the individuals, we wouldn’t live in them otherwise.

The same goes for traffic laws. Everyone, myself included, breaks traffic laws. For example, I almost never stop at traffic lights while skating, that would in fact be more dangerous. That was a really poor analogy. We break them sometimes, maybe we are in a rush. We tend to break them safely because we break them relying on the fact that the majority of the time people obey them. So the behaviour of the others is predictable enough for one to break the rules safely. I can cross the red light because I can predict with aceptable accuracy what everyone else will do and also I am attentive to anyone who does anything outside of that.

This is fundamental. It is how even language functions. We all tell the truth the vast majority of the time. Even when we lie most of what we say is true. If you lie about what you did yesterday probably the people and places and physics of the situation are all real. It had to be this way or language wouldn’t function. We all implicitly agree to tell the truth most of the time. It’s an essential element of radical interpretation. And, language works. However, it also means that lying works.

If you take it then I’m my view you are an idiot. And I’m very thankful that most people are idiots. They will take it so I don’t have to. For my part I do other idiot stuff in the view of others and they take advantage of that. And that’s a huge factor in why there are societies.


Peace,

kowalski

Well that's pretty much what I meant. Mask wearing and social distancing is treated in the same way by most people, and some authoritarian gestapo aren't generally bringing the boot down on those who don't wear masks or social distance in a context where it isn't important.

My point isn't necessarily that everyone should have the vaccine, but that being anti-vaccine because you're afraid we're entering George Orwin 1987 Animal Crossing isn't much better than outright conspiracy theory stuff

There are, actually, hundreds if not thousands of videos circulating the web of extremely over-the-top actions taken by, but not limited to, police and people in authority. If you haven't seen any such footage over the last 14 months you must have been living out in the woods.

Here's a clip of the libertarian MP who had to approve the bill for the first UK lockdown. Even he calls it, Dystopian..

https://youtu.be/V4OCENbZ2zI

And just to add another point to the authoritarianism of the last year, is the rapid introduction of extremely restrictive laws and legislation. If that shit isn't worrying to people, then I wish I lived in the same blissful bubble.

I dunno, maybe I'm actually excited because I love the topic of Tyranny and all of this will make for an interesting research paper.

It's such a divisive topic. People on both sides are looking at the other with distain. For me, I'm still on the fence. I've got several friends that worked in hospitals that were overrun at the peaks of the pandemic. 40 bed units turned into 120 with the same staff working, had there been no lockdown then its undeniable that many, many more fat and old people would have died. Hard to call that 'no big deal'. At the same time, perhaps a larger net negative effect of lockdown with the ruining of businesses and mental health/other ailments.

No one can deny that the vaccine bypassed normal safety procedures... or that its currently very effective with minimal side effects (even though I don't want to get sick for just 1 or 2 days unnecessarily!!

The deciding factor, unfortunately, will be how much it affects freedoms. I'll fully protest if it does, but get it because I've got a long-ass bucket list of cool shit that's getting fucked with enough already KMT.

It's mad how much division the vaccine topic has created. You say you simply don't want to have this substance injected into your body and some people automatically think you're a crazy tinfoil hat weirdo.

You're basically damned if you do and damned if you don't. Damned if you do because, you don't want the vaccine, and by getting it, you're giving in, handing away control of your choices. And damned if you don't because then you're somehow an inconsiderate granny killer (by doing literally nothing).

What about concerns for my own health? Shut up, you're not allowed to be concerned for yourself.

I too shat myself at the start. I live in Belfast city center and to see my usually packed street completely empty on a Saturday night was so fucking eerie. I was thinking all sorts of shit. We never knew what this virus was going to do, just that it was apparently making its way across the world and people were dying. I thought this was going to be some sort of modern-day worldwide Holocaust, where only the fittest survived.

I'm definitely going to turn away from any vaccine invite. I haven't had the "letter" yet but it's going in the bin when it does. I'm interested to know just how far this will go. But I'm willing to face persecution, ostracization, and segregation, just for being a healthy man who refuses an injection.

I'm not joking, if it ever came to a point where it was enforced like you can't leave your home without having it or some extreme shit like that, I've imagined me doing a Facebook live of me shooting heroin in protest outside our local government headquarters. With the message being, I'm literally more comfortable shooting heroin.

Sounds a bit ridiculous I know, but I'm mad enough to do it

you not need to lie. just dont answer matters of personal life. also if u cant afford that, i guess i can safely assume whos the master & the slave.
MMP is all about boundary strength.

I'm undecided about vaccination. In essence, I'll only get it if I really need it, especially with regards to future abroad plans. Most people I know who have been vaccinated, have had minimal side effects.

Whilst a lot of things seem authoritarian about it, we're not living in 1984.


Please elaborate

Maybe not precisely, but you have to consider the fact that Tyranny happens in very small steps.

"We" are now used to being locked up in our homes at the click of a finger. Why? Because we've had our freedom taken away, then given back, then taken away, then given back, and so on. In between all that you have the countless other extreme restrictions and all that bollocks.

That, my friend, is tyranny in action.

Whilst it may be my favourite topic, I really don't think I'm just seeing what I want to see.

I will not be getting the vaccine because I hate needles. And the fact that you need two shots of this vaccine makes it even worse. I am also worried about side effect from it as well.

No, it is not 1984. It is A Brave New World.

But really whether it fits the narrative of any classic novel or not is irrelevant. Keep on with your lazy thinking and sleepwalk us all to hell.

“Look at that! ... ‘Accident black spot’. These aren’t accidents. They are throwing themselves into the road gladly.” Withnail


Peace,

kowalski

Two shots, for now.

Next year it'll be another.

And so on.

Lemmings.

Although even that's not an accurate analogy, because the idea that lemmings commit mass suicide is a myth.

Yup, it'll be just another thing to get yearly vaccinations for, just like influenza. Difference is that AFAIK we don't need passports for flu.

I don't get any of that shit either.

No, I'm just going to watch this play out.

Although I'll riot if we need to.

Customer just said to me on the phone "so I assume you're all vaccinated up there?" (Referring to us in the North of Ireland).

Nothing wrong with the lady, she was lovely. It's just these "assumptions" not only irritate me, but these are all subtle steps towards segregation and ostracism.

The covid 19 pandemic and the later vaccination programme has spawned a huge wave of conspiracy theories across the world. I have looked into them and most of them can be easily debunked. The conspiracy theories basically revolve around the theory that there is a secret global elite who are orchestrating the pandemic and the vaccination programme inorder to take over the world and enslave humanity! That sounds very highly improbable because so many thousands of people would all have to be in on it! Why would countless thousands of doctors, civil servants and media people all get together to lie about the same thing inorder to help to bring in a New World Order? The conspiracy theories just do not make sense!

The new world order people are most certainly bonkers.

The idea there's a global elite with the Rockerfellers and Rothchild's at the helm makes for a cool story. However, it's difficult to know if they have anything to do with anything. Conspiracy theorists can certainly present some very compelling collections of evidence when they want to. I watched the Fall of Cabal last year and it was mind-blowing, how everything fitted together.

Sadly, when JFK Junior didn't resurface last September like I'M BACK MOTHERFUCKERS (as suggested in the documentary) disappointed me greatly.

For me, as I've said, it's more about how easy it was/is to control everyone. That shit is a real eye-opener.

Wow.

Covaids vaccine approved for teenagers. This shit is like a dark movie.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/10/pfiz...-12-to-15.html

My son is nine years old. Myself and his mum are on the same page with regards to any cunt going near him with one of these injections.

Come near my kid and I'll stick that needle in your fucking eyeballs.

The covid 19 vaccines are very safe for most people! Though I have had the measles vaccine, the diphtheria vaccine, the TB vaccine and the Polio vaccine. When I was a kid and never experienced any side effects from those vaccines at all. But many people do experience minor side effects from the covid 19 vaccines such as tiredness and fatigue, mild fever and sometimes pain for a few days at the site of the injection. Which seems strange. By the way people under 18 will not be offered the covid vaccine because the risk to them from covid 19 is so small.

Are you sure about that?

Yes the government said it themselves! That only over 18s will be offered the vaccine! By the way I feel really sorry for all the young people under 25 who are virtually immune to the covid 19 virus but have had their social life stolen from them for over a year. So no wonder thousands of them have attended illegal raves etc. The risk to the under 25s is extremely minimal if they are perfectly fit and Heathly. Yet they have had to suffer the most from social isolation. But luckily now they are being allowed to attend festivals and raves if they can provide a negative test. Which is a good thing!

Isn't it great that they've been given their freedom back.

Yes it is! But I hope that there is not another lockdown due to the Indian variant! Because people have now become really fed up of these endless lockdowns that have been going on and off for the past 15 months!

It was sarcasm, but anyway, sick hearing about variants now. Fuck them. Fuck them all.

Has anyone seen the videos of the quarantine camps at Heathrow? Fucking eerie. I seen a video of a guy out exercising around the massive "yard" (as were lot's of other people, socially distanced of course) and the people in the car with the camera started talking to him. They were asking what it's like etc and he was telling them about the level of high security they were under. And would you believe it, a security guy arrived in shot and told the guy he wasn't allowed to talk to anyone. Obviously, the guy was like fuck you, the camera woman was like actually bro he can talk to whoever he wants, he's not in prison.

Although, it appeared spookily like a prison camp. It was a surreal thing to witness.

If I allow my thoughts to wander, and put forward something crazy but not so crazy with consideration to the events of the last 18 months, this could be subliminal (or perhaps not so subliminal) conditioning to everyone entering and exiting the country. Getting cunts used to, and trained in the idea of camps. Pretty cool stuff, not.

In other news, everyone in my office are jumping at the chance to get the vaccine. My team leader got it and has been off all week sick. She turned 25 last week. Another one of our team got it last week, he's 28. Another guy got his second dose last week, he just turned 26.

I find it mind-blowing how they're just so willing to do it without really questioning it. I asked the 26 year old could he show me any leaflet or information he was given above the ingredients or contents of the vaccine, he was like "umm, I dunno, I didn't look at it".. dumb as fuck.

Now medical staff and care workers are being made mandatory to get it.

And that's the first step towards it being made fully mandatory.

Again, this authoritative shit is all very mind-blowing to me.

I'm holding out to the death tho. I'm going to need held down and forcibly injected before I'll willingly accept it.

Okay, I've got some more free time so why not waste it on this I guess.

I was given a sheet with the contents of the vaccine. I wasn't when I got my Tetanus, Yellow Fever or Hepatitis vaccines though so hey. Double plus bad.

Do you know what's in the vaccine? If you were to read what's in the vaccine would you understand the implications and function of those ingredients?

I don't know what's in it, no. If I was to read what's it I would then do some reading and shit about those ingredients.

No matter, though, I don't see anything changing my comfort levels with regards to taking a vaccine. You can sit me in front of the most successful doctor in the world so that he can explain all the "it's safe" stuff, but it won't make me any less uncomfortable.

I'm willing to listen, but it's most likely always going to feel like peer pressure. Meaning if I'm ever to take a vaccine, it will have been under duress.

That’s crazy talk, Dan.

We put unknown compounds and known compounds with unknown effects in our bodies on trust all the time. And the learning required to understand what any of them do would take years. Honestly, i doubt any one of us in this conversation could explain even how the most common and essential things we consume interact with the body like air and water. I certainly can’t. I can give you a 1990s GCSE level answer at best.

I don’t know why people are even thinking ahead to a future where they are forced to take a vaccine. That’s not being seriously suggested anywhere. Could it happen? Yes. Are there worse things already happening that we just accept? Yes. And to pair that fear with anger that the herd is willingly taking it, seems contradictory. Unless you are hopeful of a mass uprising, the most likely path to you not being forced to take it is everyone else willingly taking it.


So far it seems not to actually be working. Reproduction rates of covid never went over 1:1.7 for the whole time this has been around. Two thirds of the uk are vaccinated. Cases are rising. The maths didn’t work out there. With 2/3s vaccinated and cases rising the reproduction rate without vaccine would be over 1:3 currently. So double what it ever has been.

Maybe that’s because of novel strains. Whatever. It’s not good enough to take it when the risk is so low and in real terms it has not stopped the spread so far.

That’s where the rubber meets the road for me. I’m quite happy to keep doing whatever my doctor tells me I need to do in relation to anything I feel needs medical intervention. I don’t feel the risk of covid is sufficient to address it with medical intervention. I feel I can fairly successfully avoid getting it and the likelihood of it being problematic if o do is so low that I have no interest in taking it just as I don’t take the flu vaccine either. It’s not that I fear the flu vaccine, it’s that it isn’t for me. It’s for people who 1. Get the flu regularly and / or. 2. Are at elevated risk of death from the flu. I’m not those people.


Peace,

kowalski

Fair enough I don't understand vaccines enough to dismiss it, but equally, I don't know enough to want to get it. Only what the "experts" say and of course the herd trying to shame you into it by looking at you like you're some crazy conspiracy nut. I'm also very stubborn and will outright refuse to have an injection just because most other people are getting it.

Speaking of crazy, yes, my previous post did sound a little crazy with regards to the camp idea. However, look at this and tell me it's not fucked up..

https://youtu.be/Gjd_v0r5d5s

With covid seemingly "here to stay" at least with regards to the continuation of life (social distancing, masks, and all that) who's to say this camp shit won't also be a permanent thing.

But - whether it had been part of a larger agenda or not - the population of the world has now been conditioned to accept drastic measures and sudden, radical change in the name of 'their own good', and will just go along with it no matter the level of deprivation and inconvenience it brings into their lives.

"Masks forever" has already been confirmed along with annual vaccination.

I would not have been bothered if this was something recommended for older people and those who have underlying conditions. But now they are talking about deploying the vaccine in schools. 18 year olds are already lining up for hours as they have had the shit scared out of them.

If the vaccine doesn't seem to do anything against the Indian variant, along with the open door migration policy where any cunt and his dog can fly in from any backwater shit hole. What is the point?

The whole thing stinks.

I think that by October this year the pandemic should be under control and on the way out. As the vaccine provides at least 95 per cent protection from the virus and almost complete protection against dying from it. What the government did wrong was not to shut the country down soon enough in early February 2020 and close our borders! Taiwan did that and only suffered about 340 vivid 19 cases.

The most worrying thing for me is how this "vaccine take-up" has filtered its way right down to teenagers. I have a soon-to-be 10-year-old. Obviously, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it'll be encouraged for parents to give their kids "the jab".

Well it won't be happening to my kid, and his mum is on the same page. Even his gran has stated she'll be homeschooling all the kids (the kids in her life, not all the kids) if it was to get to a point where pressure is on to give our kids "the jab".

There's just so much NOPE with that idea, and I know that no matter people's opinion, I think even most pro-vax parents would be like nah bro, fuck you.

My team leader and one of the finance guys were talking about it yesterday (as absolutely lovely as my team leader is, she's literally a YES girl, so I'm not surpised she couldn't wait to jump through the vaccine hoop the second it become available to her).

They were right in front of me. In fact, practically conversing over my head (because I'd been chatting to the finance guy). She was eagerly and excitedly telling him all about how sick it had made her, with the climax of the experience being where she literally passed out on the second night. Riveting stuff. She asked him the typical sheep question "have you had yours yet?"

He was telling her about his girlfriend getting it, and how he was considering it, but lamely mentioned the blood clots, and that he wasn't sure which vaccine to get. I even believe they were attempting to coax me into giving my views or joining in their conversation, but I sat silent, ignoring the topic until they were finished, so I that could finish my discussion with the finance guy about work-related shit.

I'm literally going to blank the topic at every opportunity. I'm refusing to even discuss it anymore if it's not necessary. Especially if it's people who've had it and are either discussing it among themselves and try to include me or anyone who directly asks me. I'll simply be saying..

"No, I haven't had A covid vaccine"

not

"No, I haven't had MY covid vaccine"

Because asking me if I've had my covid vaccine is so deeply irritating. Like these cunts imply there's one sitting there with my name on it. Sorry sir, I'm not a fucking lemming like you. So fuck off.

Here, at least in my own work and and social life, it is not like that at all. I know people who are and people who aren't and none of them get onto each other about it. Any conversations I've had about it have been pretty open. Those who are taking it seem fairly sober about and give their reasons and those who aren't do the same. Everyone that I have interacted with speaks from a prerspective that it is not an ideal situation and people are making their personal choices about it.

I have never worn a mask in the street throughout this whole time and only got hassled about it by a few random elderly people and every time it was while I was out skating. It has always been permitted to do sports outside without a mask. So those were clearly just insane people.

I've openly said shit like "No I'm not gonna take it. People like you are gonna take it so people like me don't have to." and that's just been accepted. The only time I got into a debate about it was the Spanish girlfriend of some scouse kid, who had decided to join us at our table. She was a bit drunk and way too interested in me mentioning not wearing a mask in the street. No one liked it, including her boyfriend who took her away to give her a little talking to and then she came back, apologised and the rest of the evening was a lot of fun.


Peace,

kowalski

The pharmaceutical companies will make a fortune from these under tested vaccines. Have a look into Ivermectin, and why that is not being mass produced.

Yesterday was the first day here when wearing masks in the street is no longer obligatory at a national level. However, the andalusian government issued a statement saying that they advise everyone to keep wearing them and you have to have one with you at all times (although they did not clarify under what circumstances a cop would be permitted to demand that you prove that you have one with you nor when your failure to do so would lead to some ind of charge). Most people are still wearing them. Being over 90% based on a quick head count I did while skating around.

I find this more suprising than people being obedient to the law as it could have been framed before. Now, I guess they are doing it because they believe that 1. you can get ill off someone who is far away from you when you are outdoors, like in an infection movie and 2. that masks reduce this risk in some measurable way either individually or collectively ... or it could be coming from their generally collective way of being down here, they have the highest blood donation rates of europe and definitey the higest of any nation where they aren't probably forcing people to give blood (Iran, India, China, and South Africa we know what you're up to). So they may be doing it just to show that they are good citizens who care about their fellow citizens at risk even if it is only as an inefective but very public display.

I honestly thought everyone wouldn't be able to wait to be able to walk in the street and smile and see other peoples smiles. I was even calling it "Smile day" in the lead up.
It should have been a huge unveiling and marked in history as "smile day" for ever more. Prior to this I thought "ok, you are just being obedient and don't want any hassle with the law" which is fair enough. But now I think "oh, you have low IQ, and you have low IQ, and you have low IQ" everywhere I go. It is kind of nice that the dumb peope are basically wearing a big colourful flag across their mouth that both graciously reduces their presence in the world and advertises that their views on pretty much everything are worthless.


At least in the mornings they are wearing them. Once it got to about 3pm and everyone had consumed a couple of cañas nearly no one was wearing them for the rest of the evening and into the night. It was pretty awesome, a lot of people were on La Almadea hagning out till the early hours.

Today I see a very similar % to yesterday with masks this morning. So we shall see how long that dance lasts. Especially as the tourists are not wearing them at all and their numbers will increase. Currently there are quite a few here and an excited festival vibe in the city as they also have some of the Euro footy games here. I can't see the locals continuing to wear them if they are outnumbered by foreigners who are not.


Peace,

kowalski

My cousin lives in Vegas and he sent us videos last night of live music, nightclubs open with no restrictions on numbers, people dancing, casinos packed out and groups of people celebrating wins, etc.

With the majority of people seemingly being stupid little sheep and doing what they're told, it looks like we'll eventually be in a minority group of unvaccinated people. Say, 5% or some shit.

Given that we're now 18 months into this bollocks and impositions are now pretty much "the norm" in that people will just accept it if the government suddenly tells them they have to eat between 4 and 5 pm every day, it's not entirely implausible that the cunts will make vaccination mandatory.

I don't care. I'll need to be held down and forcibly administered with it.