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Default 29-10-2010, 07:43 AM

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9) is it not delusional to believe all this shit, seen as though none of this shit has ever gone to plan for the vast majority of us.

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This is what i was tryin to say. Boys u all need to come and take a lesson from me.

why not ask corbec how far he has come in 2 lessons .... not fuckin theory

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Default 29-10-2010, 09:06 AM

ye and kowalski U R PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE coz u dont actually agrree with PUA (well 80% of it)


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Default 29-10-2010, 12:13 PM

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I'll play devils advocate here.

1. Tyler says it isn't fact. Just something he came up with from reading, doing, discussing, thinking and says if you come up with something better that's great.

2. See 1

3. If a computer is wired up properly, it will always be in the most appropriate state for any circumstance. I propose that Tyler has something similar in mind here.

4. The first step is understanding that it is possible. That seems to be the point of a lot of his stuff. If you believe it is possible to feel a certain way then it is.

5. There are many methods, I'm sure you aware of some. Tylers prefered method seems to be constructing a believable argument that fits his experiences and believing it. This is the standard way. People have opinions, there's a discussion, sometimes things arise that make at least one party change their beliefs.

6. Discipline.

7. This is a big one. Can you clarify what you mean? Are you asking this because some people are cunts?

8. See 1

9. What hasn't worked, for who, when? And, you beg the question are delusional beliefs bad?


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fucking awesome post dude! although seemingly simple responses u clarified alot there for me.

i do believe that in essence this shit is true and helpful, whether tyler is describing totally to my satisfaction or not. i personally have benefited a lot from knowing this stuff.

thinking about it now i suppose the key is knowing, then believing, then implementing and then being disciplined with it.

however i do fear that its just another short term solution to a seemingly long term problem that affects the vast majority of people. the novelty will surely wear off and cracks will appear. some such cracks i have currently identified are as follows;

i feel that whilst teh concept sounds nice and simple its anything but. the lines get really blury when u start to think "ok what beliefs result from my self esteem..ill keep those and what beliefs are from my ego..they can do one". this aspect of it is so vital to get right but at the same time this aspect is SO SO GREY getting this wrong surely causes the whole concept to fail at least on some level. in essence this task may just be totally unworkable, the theory on some level seemingly defeats itself due to the inherent uncertainty in this aspect of it. it could also result in clones, everyone ends up accepting the same beliefs about themselves and acting accordingly. alternatively rather than being an all out methodical and practicable solution it may just be an aid to shrugging off blatant ego based beliefs and an aid to just embracing a "general" feeling of contentment and joy (possibly based on inherent self esteem or possibly ego).

i do fear as well though that following the concept can result in u believing certain things about urself that arent true and so becoming delusional. i really believe that u cant lie to yourself for too long. it could totally mess with ur understanding of who u are aswell if u start believing certain things about urself that actually arent true. it could be dangerous too eg i believe i can fly so i go jump of a roof. K ive got a feeling ur probably now gonna drop some Satre...existence b4 essence and all that shite haha.

I do freely admit though that any other concept in life can lead to the same problem and so maybe i shouldnt expect this concept to safeguard completely against this. its just that it seems to be the whole purpose of this concept to do just that, therefore it should deliver. again though the concept may just be an aid rather than an all out solution.

also i think the application of this stuff to pua is alot more limited than its application to dealing with life in general. i say this only from my own limited experience of it in field. i strongly feel that just knowing this shit will not get u a lay guys. Material (yes i said material..i have my own personal definition here) and ego based externals matter alot. how could they not when all women out there are socially conditioned to be attracted to ego based externals, money wealth, fashion etc...

in relation to Q7, i agree, potentially a major point. my answer = yes because some people r cunts. but also yes because we are all cunts at times. at the end of the day u can call it an ego based problem or low self esteem or whatever, but the reality is its a chemical imbalance. sometimes it could be caused by the ego but at other times by hormones or something biological that we cant control. these could be more common causes of us being cunts than the supposed ego caused cunt problem. so how can it be good for the self or in this instance "cunt self" to come through in such cases. how can we know what the cause is, how can we safeguard against this? does the theory fail her?? should we just assume its the ego thats causing us to be a cunt and then try to crush it and see where it takes us???


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Default 29-10-2010, 05:55 PM

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Default 29-10-2010, 07:40 PM

What is the terms and conditions Phil, cause if you're after sexual favours again......
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Default 29-10-2010, 08:26 PM

Can i just say highly highly highly recommend actually reading Eckharts Tolles books ' power of now ' and ' new earth ' they are the most potent self development books on transformation out there. I also think he explains this subject alot better and makes it easier to understand than Tyler Durden. The whole blueprint is based on Eckhart Tolle !

I think the simplest way of putting this, self esteem is your true nature, anytime you are out your head and you do things without thinking and through spontaneity you are acting through the real deepest core of yourself as a man, this is referred to as presence. Anytime you think in your head about what to say or think i have to touch her etc this is acting through the voice in your head which isn't essentially you, weird to think that the mind and who you really are are two seperate things, bit of a head fuck ! but 98% of people out there are run by their minds apart from zen masters and spiritual leaders

Anytime you act out of your core and through total spontaneity you are expressing your true nature to the fullest and this will always shine out in your expressions. This is where the ' self is always coming through' concept comes in. People can sense this, when you act out your true nature your relationships with people will just sky rocket and relationships with hot girls will never be a problem because you never picked the girl up through an ego based engineered structure which she fell for. Ever wonder why alot of gurus cant hold down proper relationships. In fact Alex Allman in mans transformation put it beautifully ' i dont think its possible to have a relationship through an engineered structure' or some like that , i agree with him on that.

Anyways im telling you this stuff about being present and acting through your own intentions is the real deal. I cant thank Tyler enough for opening my eyes to Eckhart tolles teachings, its enhanced my life so much, major transformation since i learnt this stuff. How can it not be appealing that women can like you for you and not a false made identity ?

Practicing presence is the key to living the most authentic life you can imagine. Meditation ... even everyday chores just try and keep focused 100% on everything you do for as long as you can without the ego creeping in the back door. Its always inevitable its going to creep in but the more you practice presence the more you seperate yourself from it and bit by bit you will start noticing longer bits of presence without the ego coming in. Everything you do will become easier and i now know what Tyler meant when he says ' walking through the world with ease'. It amazing when i started practicing this and watching the thinker ( ego) how full of crap the ego is and how negative it is, when i catch the ego coming in i can now observe the thoughts and i just laugh at them because the egos thoughts are so ridiculous and damaging.

most people walk through the world in a walking daze, i finally understand what tyler meant. Most people are asleep and they dont even know it. The only times you are fully awake is the times when you catch the ego off guard and your mind has no thoughts, everything is still and calm and you feel good, your being, you are in your true nature
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Default 30-10-2010, 10:34 AM

ive not really stuck to the original numbering as some of those concerns originally raised have been satisfied and new concerns have arisen. the original numbering has become less helpful now

for convenience lets now refer to each point as a para 1, para 2 or paras2&3 etc..

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Default 30-10-2010, 11:22 AM

aww i didnt know k dogg likes his numbers haha

the para's are pretty much self contained, each raises a different but naturally related point. i think each para can be addressed "fairly" mutually exclusively of the rest, however its down to ur own interpretation and personal preference of how u would like to address them

im intrigued..


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Default 22-11-2010, 11:59 AM

awesome as per usual k,


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