Hi Guys,

Going out with the guys is cool. When a set goes wrong, you can run to them with your tail between your legs! We also call each other wings. However, look at this guys take on wings.......would welcome some comments:

"There are many advantages to having a tight relationship with
your wing when out meeting women. It can really increase your
overall consistency, and just makes the adventure more
enjoyable.

There are a couple important factors to consider when choosing your wing, but one far exceeds the rest.

Altruism.

You want to have the type of relationship with your wing where
if you “take one for the team” and maybe sacrifice getting
laid one night for him, you know he will return the favor down
the road.

There have been plenty of times where I ended up making out
with a complete warpig to get my friend laid. Other times it
was just helping out with logistics and talking with some
random guy so he can get a girl's phone number.
But I know he will return the favor, and has many times.
If not, it’s time to find a new wing. Trust is a big factor
when you are out. You don’t want to worry about him secretly
shadow lording, or stealing your girls. You want all your
faculties on pushing things forward with the girl you are
talking to.

So let’s get into some tactical concepts for how to wing
properly.

Isolation.
The only goal when in the field with your wing is to get you
or him and the girl isolated.That’s it.

Too often I see two guys talking with two girls, and it’s just
like this weird conversation where everyone is trying to chime
in. Ultimately one guy is going to be more dominant, and it’s
hard to keep it 50/50.

No crossing streams.
So as quickly as possible, just start keying in on your target
and move in a way so you and the girl have a little distance
from your wing and his girl. It doesn’t have to be some big
venue change, just get their backs turned.

Girls are totally malleable, all it takes is to start moving
away from your wing to the point where you get the girls
turned with their backs to one another. Here you are now in
isolation. She doesn’t have the social pressure of seeing her
friend watch her. You can escalate in this situation.
Also NEVER go two on one with a girl. You both can’t be
talking to her at the same time, so if there are two guys on
one girl, one of the guys is going to be just standing there.
Not only does this lower his value, just standing around
choding… It lowers your value also because you are in some way
associated with him as friends.

The accomplishment intro.
Bringing back the old school, this technique still works great
when bringing a wing into your set.
When your wing comes into your conversation, don’t ignore him.
Fully turn to him and greet him. You don’t want to just turn,
say hi, and go back to the girl. You’ve known your wing for a
long time, and you just met this girl, so give him your
attention.

If you don’t, on some level she will subconsciously realize
that you value her and the interaction more than your own
friend. Which is NEEDY!

So, turn to your friend, talk to him for a bit, then introduce
him to the girls you are talking to.
My fave: “Hey, this is my friend Casey. He only dates models
and has a big dick.”

It’s obvious that we are joking around, which shows neither of
us care too much about the girls and are just having fun
together. Self amusement.

It also gets the girls wondering if maybe he is well hung and
only dates beautiful women, so there are multiple positives.
Similar to the accomplishment intro, it is very powerful to
open sets for your wing. It’s great because you can say all
the things that your wing isn’t able to. Here’s an example:
“You know what, you would be perfect for my friend. You are
totally his type, come meet him. He’s really successful and
the BOSS in his home town. Come with me.”

The cool thing is that if you go up to a girl and are
approaching for your friend, you shouldn’t have as much
approach anxiety because if she says no, she is rejecting your
friend and not you.

The best part about this is that when you bring the girl over
to your wing, the attraction is FULLY taken care of. Your wing
can just chill back and create that vacuum to get the girl
investing HEAVILY.

And what does anyone want from an investment? A return.

Rock Honors.

Another spin on this technique is the “Rock Honors” approach,
developed by the RSD crew in Austin, Texas.
I was exposed to the Rock Honors system when I was down in

Austin, TX running a bootcamp with Nathan. That Sunday I went
out with Tom! and Alex! Unbeknownst to me, they decided it was
my Rock Honors night.
I had 3 guys going up to any girl, approaching, and then
sending them on to me. Girl after girl, after a while it got
to the point where I was just throwing girls around, getting
makeouts left and right. I had girls asking if I was a
celebrity or something.
It ended up with me running out of the club, heading to some
girls apartment. Great Sunday night, and another successful
rock honors. You can do this any given night with your friends
and just return the favor down the line.

The Jurassic Park.

Another wing tactic that has only been field-tested a few
times is the Jurassic park, developed by none other than Alex~
himself.

It’s pretty advanced and involves having you and two other
wings finding a group of three girls. All at once you each
approach one of the three girls. Immediately you isolate her
to another area of the club, while your wings do the same in
opposite directions. Just like raptors preying on unsuspecting
victims, the girl gets confused and when she turns around her
friends are nowhere to be seen because they are all on the
other side of the club. Again, self-amusement at it’s finest.
Go out and have fun with these techniques and cultivate a
solid relationship with your wing. It will dramatically
increase your chances of success"

I don't do half this stuff. I guess I'm not altruistic enough. But there jave been times (last Saturday with Anthony) where I stepped in when someone else was hittling on his girl (Rudy told me to step in).

How seriously do you guys take this winging stuff?

I still don't know about all things we do could you pleases tell me what ROCK HONORS and how it works???

Rock honors: Very Altruistic

Basically you approach every girl you can and put to them "I want you to meet this fantastic person!" then introduce them to your buddy....so you do the opening for them. Maybe this would be good for someones birthday

rrr ok i see thanks

Winging... Avery important aspect of the whole PUA community if you ask me. It's so important that it's even a term EVERY AFC knows.
Winging is an art form and some people (not naming names ) would do well to steer clear of other's interactions if they do not know what their job is. As explained above in this thread - Kowalski put it pretty well if you read up - a wing is basically there to make the guy who opened the set - look fucking awesome.

I am sure we have all been cock blocked by someone who had our best interests at heart, but turned out to just be a terrible wing! Too many times I have had it happen to me or have observed it happening.
Personally for my interactions, unless you are sure you know what your doing, stay the fuck out of my set! I think I speak for us all when I say this.

I personally have a subtle way of asking a buddy if he needs winging or not. I walk over and social proof him e.g. "Wassup man!" (and a simple pat on the shoulder). After I have done this, he then has the option of pulling me in the set and introducing me if I'm needed, or else he can just let me continue to walk away, knowing that I have slightly improved his status. I think I read this from Mystery, but don't hold me to that, could have been someone else!

As a final point, I recently (and foolishly) pulled an AFC into a two set I was in the other week... This set was going really well, I was getting a shit load of IOIs and she was kinoing. Another 10 mins max and I would have k-closed for sure! Anyway, knowing full well who my target was, the twat goes after her (way too strong I might add) and fucks up the whole interaction... Needless to say I told him where to go and that I would never hook him up again in one of my sets...

The only thing worse than an amoral wing is an immoral wing!. Trust is of paramount importance in winging certainly.

P.s Get Kes to wing you some time.... Guy's a natural at it!

Peace

Ritz

We all mess up in the field one way or the other, give him a second chance, this is what the community is all about...! Plenty of women around....!

I think the bigger issue was the fact that he purposely pursued my target, rather than accidently cocking up. Being selfish is not a good attribute for a wing man!

I hear you man though man... Plenty more women in this world!

Ritz

Ah, gotcha....! Then that's a different story!

Thanks Ritz, my wing radar tends to go off when I see a guy outnumbered by girls. I'll always wanna go in and help a brother out, because you just can't escalate two girls at the same time. Unless you're some kind of legend.. aka jynx!

Good to see people touching on this subject, if you go out with alot of guys, like we all do then at some point you are going to have to wing someone and therefore being a competent wingman is CRITICAL.

Like Kowalski said this is such an IMPORTANT thread. Everyone needs to read this thread particularly what Sapmi was disscussing first off. I've had sets bomb out dramatically due to bad wingmanship and I to have previously done the same. However i've taken steps to improve my winging ability and minimise sets bailing due to bad wingmanship. There are rules to being a good wing, a code of honour that you should both abide by that will cement a good and successful relationship between you.

Some of the basics;

1) Always big-up you're man! - An accomplishment intro works well, you should know each others main interests/talents/successes/noble professions so that you can deliver this on your wings behalf, making him look awesome, not having to brag about these things himself, which shows he also possesses another attractive trait - modesty.

An example might be; (your wing comes in to your set) Put your arm around him and say
'Guys this my friend xxxxx he's an awesome guitar player he plays in this cool band/ he's a doctor/ he's just got back from climbing Mount Everest/ blah blah' you get the idea, then formally introduce him to all the girls making sure he gets to shake all their hands.
He's then known to all the girls and has some value, he's not the awkward looking guy stood on the periphery left hanging there to commit social suicide. If you allow that to happen, for your guy to be left hanging there then all the girls will notice this, they will percieve in that moment you value them (the girls) more important than your buddy. When a group of girls are out together, they look after each other, no matter how fickle womens relationships tend to be with each other, on that night out their friends are more important than any guy that suddenly walks up to them. This should be no different for us guys.

Bro's before Ho's.


Always say you Love the guy to, 'I love this guy' or that he's (to quote Tim) 'The coolest mother-fucker on the planet'. I sense sometimes that some guys find it counter-intuitive or difficult to talk highly of your wing and not demonstrate your own value to a set. Well that's bollocks, an alpha male cares for and loves the people closest to him, when you raise other peoples value you also raise you're own value.

2) Know when to come into your buddys set, or if you don't know ask him (subtly)

This follows on from what Ritz said earlier. Don't go bounding in like a bull in a china shop. If you're wondering whether you should go in, use the technique Ritz talked about, or devise a code word between you and your wing before heading out to use if this situation arises such as;


Walk over to your wing, place one hand on his shoulder and ask;

'Have you seen Sarah?'

If he says, ''Yes, she's outside/over there/..whatever' The Yes means he wants you there, he should then pull you into the set, tell them how awesome you are and formally introduce you.

If he says 'No, not seen her/..whatever' then No means well...No. He's doing ok by himself leave him to it.

3) Don't go for the same girl.

The Law of 'Bagsy' doesn't carry much legal weight after the age of 9 but the code of honour still says you should refrain from pissing on other peoples bonfires. If your wing has told you which girl he is going for, respect that and let him go for it. If he hasn't explicitly said but it's pretty obvious, again respect that and let him have a go.

If he's had a go and it's not going anywhere and you like her yourself and you want to have a crack then its common courtesty (or at least should be) to say to your buddy 'Do you mind if I have a go?' It's a sign of respect to your wingman and to prevent you competing with each other for the same girl which usually means the girl feeling abit awkward and you going home with one less friend.

4) Taking one for the team

Sometimes a mans gotta do.....something unsavory. Which could mean being bored stiff talking to the unfortunate looking girl for 2 hours whilst your wing is hitting it off with her hot mate, or even worse having to bang her if her hot mate says to your wing.
'I'll sleep with you only if your mate gets with my mate, she's not had any action for a while'.

You're wingman should then reciprocate this sort of favor to you sometime down the road.

If he doesn't....get a new wingman.