You summed it up well K :D

Evening all. Thanks for your replies. Hope i didnt cause to much hype. I have posted a bit more about myself in the introduction section. Will give you more of an idea about me and why I am here

Semtex

My advice finish reading the game, form your own initial opinion on it based on your own thoughts. Go out, try some stuff, see what fits, discard what doesnt then 6-12 months later see if your own opinion of 'The game' has changed.

If you want to try the MM, don't rely on the game, a few things may be useful, most just relied on the game and failed then slagged off the MM. The game is an entertaining book,but its designed to entertain, not to teach.


If you want to try the MM, download Magic bullets for free, isoHunt ? the BitTorrent & P2P search engine
Magic bullets is a much improved/detailed/realistic version of the MM.

Magic Bullets is just MM re-hashed and its no surprise considering Mystery and Savoy used to be wings, worked together at forming (Lovesystems I think) fell out and went their seperate ways with a bitter legal battle to ensue.

Funny how pussy and greed can come between a 'friendship'.

You guys are arguing about direct and indirect openers, well for me, I like to us indirect, not only does it make you seem fun, but the few times i've used them, it has made my night a hell of a lot better because I enjoy and have fun using them.

Using game just for women, I think is lame, Yes, use it to pick up, but why not make yourself more confident as a person, have confidence in who you are rather than, I wonder how much pussy I can get, I thought that the whole point of this was once your confidence is in place and once you have the balls about you to approach, it doesn't matter what you say, when your game comes through you will know how to get this girl, or make a situation to your advantage?

I like to think indirect openers should be for day 2's, they make you seem more approachable and someone who can have a joke and a laugh, but if I see some hot girl I think is a bit of a skank or too stupid to remember her name, im not going on a day 2, yeah, I would probably open direct. I hate stupid girls anyway, I love hot girls, these are the kinds of girls I want to fuck once and never see again, Yes i'm shallow, but thats the way it is I suppose.

Semtex, what I would advice you to do, seen as im pretty new here, is read through people's field reports, analyse how they went about things, these master pua's have their own way of doing it, and it will work for them because of the kind of person they are. Why not build your own identity? Thats what they did. With everything you do, you improve by practicing, this is fact, yes read the books, watch the videos, get to know the basics, but while your doing it, get out there and use it. You will learn a lot more this way, you will realize your mistakes, if you get blown out by a girl, think to yourself fuck it. You aren't losing anything, so you shouldn't worry about it. This should apply to approaching also, you have nothing to lose, not every girl will want to get to know you remember this. Sets will sometimes backfire. Its life and it will never change that some people will be stuck up their own arse and think they are too good for you. I find most people like this nobody gives two shits about and tend to only get the idiots in life.

I hope this explains a bit.
It made sense to me.

The way confidence naturally works is,if you shit at something you have low confidence,if your good you get confidence.

Best way to get confidence in approaching is to approach, i had it fairly easy during my beginning phase of cold approaching, because i took on board certain tips. Like using good body language/voice tone/opinion openers, if the new guys take on board and apply these simple things, they will learn so much quicker, and confidence will soon come.

There are other ways to build confidence, like working on innergame, but the confidence thats comes from success is far more effective and solid.

Unfortunately the body language tips made my game so much worse because I became self conscious. I find it an irrelevance. If your feel good in yourself you will resonate this externally.

They are both as important. It's a state of mind on many fronts.

I think any material from “the game” and MM is good when you first start approaching, but I think of them like stabilisers on bike.
The whole point is to help kick start you into the world of pickup. Its a lot easier to approach when you have prepared stacks of structured material as appose to going straight in their and being yourself, going natural.
I believe this is because if a girl rejects the material you use, it’s a softer blow to your ego than it would have been if she had rejected you being you.

I personally would prefer not to have to rely on certain material in order to succeed, but I still use parts of MM from time to time.

I think the goal for a lot of members is to enable you to feel comfortable in your own skin, build confidence and believe in yourself. This is what girls find attractive.

And I advise everyone to check out Tyler durdens blueprint,

Quick Example, out recently,approached girl at a bar, use opener, during my opener i pull back and start leaning on a pillar 2 feet behind me, still talking to her, she comes towards me to listen what i have to say, shes leaning in,while i am leaning back. I approached her, now it looks like she approached me, very simple but effective. Can take abit of practice and i would sometimes forget, but now its internal.

Really don't understand your problem with it,it doesn't require a lot of effort, maybe you wanted it to fail.