The Game?
 

Evening all,

I am pretty new to this PUA community scene and just found this website tonight. I am currently half way through reading "the game". Just a few general qustions i though i might throw your way. Im very intrigued about "the game" and interested in learning "PUA Meterial" etc, and although the book makes a brilliant read (hey im not doubting this stuff as im sure these guys are masters) but I feel very skeptical about how a lot of these "openers" and "negs" and quite frankly how a lot of the verbal material used works in modern day england so to speak? Im sure in America this stuff works and maybe not so cheesy to use, but being in a bar in london imagine , and negging a woman or approcahing a mixed 3 or 4 set, i could just imagine there being different results? To be honest im thinking violence or maybe not as bad, but where I am from this material would seem not very effective on many "arrogant" women. If anyone has or knows any good books / dvds / etc on the best openers and material used in this country and culture, please advise

Thanks ;-)

Ill wait untill u finished reading until i slate style :) .... mystery method good start point... dont get suckered into the whole I GET EVERY GIRL I APPROACH DEAL coz they dont... they say it to sound good... TRUST ME NOBODY ON THE PLANET SCORES 100% except me :) it dont happen mate so dont worry about rejection

its not a majic wand it just helps ALOT... but its not about the MAGIC WORDS AND ROUTINES that ur made to beleive thats for sales... Keep a level head...

know that its not magic and dont get sold products

U need help u can most likely find NON SALES info from the guys on here FREE OF CHARGE

Have fun newbie

Download magic bullets, explains the whole thing alot better.

MM is good to learn, but your better off creating your own openers, and using the less cheesy material.

Opinion opener i created and used
Would you dump a guy that got very tight with his money, then i followed it up with a funny example.

Using good body language,being none threatening when cold approaching is golden,

Approaching groups of people and teasing attractive girls is not going to get you into too much trouble in a bar really.

Depends how you approach.

And i wouldnt bother with mixed sets, just no need.

I realise it all seems very strange to be even considering stepping outside your reality now, after all you have been doing what you've been doing all your life. It's time to start thinking about experimenting a bit however, that's if u want to change things in your life? Start taking risks and not ruling out stuff until you have tried it. Like phil says, stick around here and hear what people have to say. It's free, unlike the products!

Alot of the products are free, if you no where to look.

Sure, but our advice is better :-)

Learn from both, and see what gets results.

taking risks and experimenting is good advice but abit vague.

I'm telling him to do just that. Experiment with it all. It is vague, but that's the nature of the beast when you're starting out. If you want me to be specific then quit messing about and get on with Tyler Durden's Blueprint instead of endless reels of openers that 'work' or 'don't work'.

What the hell you talking about.

Never even heard of tyler durdens blueprint, if your talking to her the opener has worked, thats all its there for.

Just chill and forget about it mate.

Google it.

I completely agree, basic words work. That's why I don't use scripted openers :)

No! ;-)

Depends on the scripted material, and the situation, someone that has scripted material will be better prepared, these days i use them just as a back up, you rely on them less with time.

Sounds Familiar

Yeah listen Nova

Not if you believe you have the right to introduce yourself without asking her a question as a decoy.

Semtex. Please post up an introduction, be good to know more about you.

Nothing wrong with introducing yourself, but if a guy with no game does it, its gonna get boring fast.

The whole idea of going indirect, is because most guys just approached directly, and girls put up bitch shields.

Plus chance to DHV if its good entertaining material.

Going direct is more advanced, if thats all every guy needed to do, what do we need this forum for.

The thing you've totally missed here is that I'm not advising Semtex to be direct. I advise him to check out the Blueprint :)

Stop assuming this. This is part of your AA belief system.

You make it sound like your on stage. Do you perform magic tricks?

I approach direct, and i have very little AA, so stop assuming yourself


It is a performance, is being incredibly attractive magic?. Then yes i do.

You summed it up well K :D

Evening all. Thanks for your replies. Hope i didnt cause to much hype. I have posted a bit more about myself in the introduction section. Will give you more of an idea about me and why I am here

Semtex

My advice finish reading the game, form your own initial opinion on it based on your own thoughts. Go out, try some stuff, see what fits, discard what doesnt then 6-12 months later see if your own opinion of 'The game' has changed.

If you want to try the MM, don't rely on the game, a few things may be useful, most just relied on the game and failed then slagged off the MM. The game is an entertaining book,but its designed to entertain, not to teach.


If you want to try the MM, download Magic bullets for free, isoHunt ? the BitTorrent & P2P search engine
Magic bullets is a much improved/detailed/realistic version of the MM.

Magic Bullets is just MM re-hashed and its no surprise considering Mystery and Savoy used to be wings, worked together at forming (Lovesystems I think) fell out and went their seperate ways with a bitter legal battle to ensue.

Funny how pussy and greed can come between a 'friendship'.

You guys are arguing about direct and indirect openers, well for me, I like to us indirect, not only does it make you seem fun, but the few times i've used them, it has made my night a hell of a lot better because I enjoy and have fun using them.

Using game just for women, I think is lame, Yes, use it to pick up, but why not make yourself more confident as a person, have confidence in who you are rather than, I wonder how much pussy I can get, I thought that the whole point of this was once your confidence is in place and once you have the balls about you to approach, it doesn't matter what you say, when your game comes through you will know how to get this girl, or make a situation to your advantage?

I like to think indirect openers should be for day 2's, they make you seem more approachable and someone who can have a joke and a laugh, but if I see some hot girl I think is a bit of a skank or too stupid to remember her name, im not going on a day 2, yeah, I would probably open direct. I hate stupid girls anyway, I love hot girls, these are the kinds of girls I want to fuck once and never see again, Yes i'm shallow, but thats the way it is I suppose.

Semtex, what I would advice you to do, seen as im pretty new here, is read through people's field reports, analyse how they went about things, these master pua's have their own way of doing it, and it will work for them because of the kind of person they are. Why not build your own identity? Thats what they did. With everything you do, you improve by practicing, this is fact, yes read the books, watch the videos, get to know the basics, but while your doing it, get out there and use it. You will learn a lot more this way, you will realize your mistakes, if you get blown out by a girl, think to yourself fuck it. You aren't losing anything, so you shouldn't worry about it. This should apply to approaching also, you have nothing to lose, not every girl will want to get to know you remember this. Sets will sometimes backfire. Its life and it will never change that some people will be stuck up their own arse and think they are too good for you. I find most people like this nobody gives two shits about and tend to only get the idiots in life.

I hope this explains a bit.
It made sense to me.

The way confidence naturally works is,if you shit at something you have low confidence,if your good you get confidence.

Best way to get confidence in approaching is to approach, i had it fairly easy during my beginning phase of cold approaching, because i took on board certain tips. Like using good body language/voice tone/opinion openers, if the new guys take on board and apply these simple things, they will learn so much quicker, and confidence will soon come.

There are other ways to build confidence, like working on innergame, but the confidence thats comes from success is far more effective and solid.

Unfortunately the body language tips made my game so much worse because I became self conscious. I find it an irrelevance. If your feel good in yourself you will resonate this externally.

They are both as important. It's a state of mind on many fronts.

I think any material from “the game” and MM is good when you first start approaching, but I think of them like stabilisers on bike.
The whole point is to help kick start you into the world of pickup. Its a lot easier to approach when you have prepared stacks of structured material as appose to going straight in their and being yourself, going natural.
I believe this is because if a girl rejects the material you use, it’s a softer blow to your ego than it would have been if she had rejected you being you.

I personally would prefer not to have to rely on certain material in order to succeed, but I still use parts of MM from time to time.

I think the goal for a lot of members is to enable you to feel comfortable in your own skin, build confidence and believe in yourself. This is what girls find attractive.

And I advise everyone to check out Tyler durdens blueprint,

Quick Example, out recently,approached girl at a bar, use opener, during my opener i pull back and start leaning on a pillar 2 feet behind me, still talking to her, she comes towards me to listen what i have to say, shes leaning in,while i am leaning back. I approached her, now it looks like she approached me, very simple but effective. Can take abit of practice and i would sometimes forget, but now its internal.

Really don't understand your problem with it,it doesn't require a lot of effort, maybe you wanted it to fail.

Yeah i agree

You go natural when your able to/when u have to ability to express yourself. Am sorry but the bit about the ego is complete rubbish,it is for me anyway.

You no what other things girls find attractive.
Status
Money
Power
Humour
Good looks

You give these girls more credit than most deserve, its like your just being politically correct.

Haha, you really can't handle the notion of dealing with internal game can you. It has to be all about lines and persuasive body language routines - quick fixes and magic pills. You say it doesn't take a lot of effort, but making the effort is where you will see the genuine benefits Zone. Dealing with the core problems ain't an overnight process, I should know.

I have worked on innergame a great deal, so dont assume, i attacked the problem from both sides.

Whos talking about magic pills and quick fixes, i was only talking about body language skills not taking much effort, to whole thing took alot of effort.

Your incapable of being unbiased

Av read comments on here,about guys getting seriously rejected, for approaching badly, one guy said as he leaned in to her and she put her hand on his face and pushed him away, nasty bet it took him awhile to over come that.

the value is, in the difference between those 2 approaches.

Assume what?

Body language shouldn't be a 'skill' Zone. If you'd genuinely have tackled this side of things, i.e. that you have to 'look' a certain way to attract, you'd have no issue with trying to kid everyone into thinking 'that girl has approached him'.

Being, not doing. One the best ways it can be put.

I wasn't trying to kid anyone, i was just stating the effects good techniques can produce.

They teach things like that in applied psychology, why shouldn't it be a skill, your more concerned with fitting in with your distorted beliefs.

Body language is a form of social skill, get a book on social skills see what it teaches.

Why would it take him a long time to get over that?

The girl rejected his approach, not him. You have to be extremely insecure to let a random girl you don't know affect you.

Please explain the good effects of everyone 'thinking' a girl has approached you? To me this is the age old scramble to showboat to others.

Definately :hihi:

In my honest opinion as a newbie get magic bullets as Zone said as its a very good book. Revelations is even better ( Venusian arts newest book) has EVERYTHING you need in there and goes very deep.

Start of with routines to build up confidence and to approach, be social, come under the radar and get yourself out your comfort zone ( you never ever get rejected asking an opinion and gives you the chance to get a conversation going).

To be in a social mood the first bar you go into try and approach 3 sets within the first 15 minutes and all you need is one good interaction and you will be in a talkative and social state for the whole night. This is BIG i cant emphasis how important this is.

When your having a night where your completely ON drop the routines and try be completely natural because when your completely in the zone your body language and words that come out your mouth flow out like gold but dont rely on state to be good , this is a big mistake i made for a while, relying on state will make you worse. Just focus on being fun and social.

Even if your not a big fan of the routines Mysteries actual structure of the attraction process is spot on and Mysteries method does work. You will gain alot of knowledge reading Mysterys newest book as hes dropped alot of routines and focuses alot more on social intelligence and the social matrix. Its a damn good read , much much better than the original mystery method.

When your advanced and starting to get good start getting into RSDs products such as the blueprint by Tyler Durden (best PUA product out there) and Tims product because they focus on natural game which is attracting the girl with no structure or scripted material. In my opinion natural game is advanced NOT newbie products and i think if you start using natural methods as a newbie you will get destroyed infield and rejected alot more than going indirect and this will probably dent your confidence even more.

I know alot of guys on here are hardcore natural game fans and i love it but i strongly recommend you start off indirect. Its better to start off with some sort of structure rather than go in natural and not have a clue what your doing because you will go in be direct give your value away straight away, girls will know exactly what your doing, interview style questions.. awkwardness and then its goodbye , just another chode.

Golden rule my good pua friend told me, ALWAYS have the girl chasing you.

You as the man should be the selector. Once you can feel yourself trying hard to chase her i guarantee her attraction for you will go , you shouldn't be chasing and trying hard , she should be qualifying herself to you.

Hope this helps semtex

lol ok if the guy gets rejected that badly, i suspect hes new to this,not exactly a master PUA, he probably hasn't got his act together, and therefore may of been knocked back by it.

If he didn't lean in he wouldn't of obviously made her feel uncomfortable enough to physically push him away.

She did reject him and his lame approach.