I hear what you're saying about who's not going to be around i've been in that boat and it got a bit weird.
I also agree with being too logical and getting in your head, it's a real mind fuck! I had to re-access some pu things because I was being too logical in situations and getting caught up in methods and mindsets instead of just chilling the fuck out.

The thing that really put me off tolle (toole lol!) was that I had an audiobook of it so listening to him whine on about spiritual bollocks did my head in after a while. For a minute he had me going along with him until I got fed up of the spiritual stuff and the way it's geared to fit in with religions.

Didnt you know.. If you cant put something under a microscope then it doesnt exist.

I've not read the power of now, but think I'll have a read. (If you want to lend it me Adam then that would be even better.) Xxx

Not to say I didn't take anything from it but it was starting to do my tits in it's hard to keep on listening with a whiney german hippy talking to you, saying that you can't question him or use reason against him (that bit was the point I turned off). The gist I got from "power of now" was live in the now, forget past events.

If you don't believe in the scientific method dolph then I think you should be stripped of all that it's provided you with... your phone, transport, computer, clothes, shoes, house, TV and so on and so on and when you go into a hospital we'll give you a faith healer instead.
By your logic (well not really logic) anything can exist because you have no way of judging things apart.

But I think this is getting a bit far from long term monogamous relationships so if anyone wants to carry this tolle based discussion on I suggest a new post about it, I don't want to let Anthony's post descend into a debate about spirituality.

And then beaten right?

Grow up Tom.

hypocrite

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/consciousn...html#post14433

Ok I made a new thread so it doesn't descend into all tolle

Alright, moving away from the considerable shit written above

K:...

anthony:
and tom:

and now back on track

This is my personal view on this topic as a whole . In terms of love , relationships , logic and emotion .

From my personal experience , i had a very hard time when i first got into my relationship . Im not going to lie , i think pickup as a whole screwed me up to an extent. Whereas it has changed my life forever in a massively beneficial way and i will continue to apply and appreciate alot of what i learnt , i have also had to condition myself away from certain 'ways of thinking' that would prove detrimental to my relationship .

It was only normal that from consciously learning behaviours or 'techniques' or even different mindsets that i would begin to think in a very logical and analytical way in terms of women as a whole . Like many of us here , i embraced it all and absorbed as much as my mind would allow . The problem being that while i was learning and growing in an enviroment of single and available women , i was not experiencing or even preparing myself to be in a completely different enviroment .. i.e (a relationship)

What i quickly realised is that when in a relationship , your thought process is very powerfully driven by emotion and not logic . No-one can say what love it ... Is it just a series of chemical reactions ? Is it a change in your soul (if you believe in one) or is it an altering of the mind in another way ? Regardless of what it is , it's powerful and rarely logical .... Problem .... i think so .

Whereas my part of me was thrown into this emtional warzone , my familiar way or thinking was constantly trying to analyze and think my way through situations . Basically i was at war with myself alot of the time .

I eventually had to accept that to be happy i had to let nature take its course . I had to close my eyes and just go along for the ride and yes i have found myself at times thinking wtf is going on what am i doing , but im very happy . As has been said already , what ends up happening is you do have periods where you logical side naturally emerges and the 'veil' slips . It is in these situations that everything i have learnt benefits me to great effect . While i let my emotions be the wind beneath my sails , when the time comes i let my logical and analytical mind steer me in the right direction .

So yes Ant i do share you pain and feel that pickup has somewhat caused problems now that your looking for a relationship . What you need to do is let your emtions take over and when the time comes and your emotions push you towards a decision , let your logical mind have a look . At the end of the day your body and soul need to be in harmony otherwise you'll always have inner turmoil and that hardly leads to a man who is ready for a commited relationship .

I fully accept that alot of the guys are in no way looking for a relationship and still want to have fun . I completely understand as my time in that place was one of the happiest of my life . It just turns out that my emtions have led to me to a different place where i am the happiest ive been in a long time .

Hope this helps

Swype

hey Swype,

thanks for coming back and commenting on this man, I know you have experience in this, so its cool to hear what you think.

I'm gonna roll with what you said and wait for a decision to come. Difficult balance with emotions and rationality which we all ride through, but you're right that its not good to be too conflicted.

Good to hear that you're happy too, and nice sailing analogy!

anthony