I never said anything about getting a 100 per cent success rate! All I said is that I have met Adam Lyons and know he is really good with women for sure. His main tactic is social proof where he will invite a few female friends out with him when doing night game or in day game will talk to other women first before the woman he wants. He really does know a lot about attraction. He wouldn't have risen to the top of the PUA scene if he was crap and couldn't get laid much. Maybe his success isn't as good as he claims but he can get a few women, at least enough to be considered a top PUA.

Wow are you saying, for the first time, that Adam might not be as godly as you perceive him to be!?

Stonecastle you make me seriously reconsider the right to free speech.

Having to rely on a tactic by having to have other women out with you to attract even more women is pretty bad. Why doesn't he just be himself and tell them his passion for dungeons & dragons and that he went bankrupt in the UK?

Let me just go grab my popcorn...

No that is not bad as it is a tactic that works! He has a university degree in psychology so he knows that social proof works! He knows that it makes gaming chicks far easier. This whole "just be yourself" bollocks comes from people outside the pick up artist community who think that women will like you whatever you are without you having to do any work on yourself. But if you think about it all the guys who attract a lot of women by being themselves are not the average guy, but people like pop stars, TV personalities and famous footballers, people who have got a lot going for them. The average guy will have to work on himself a lot to become attractive to women.

What a load of twaddle. It's great to work on yourself but if your seriously think that women don't fuck average guys and that you have to do all this fake shit to get laid I just feel bad for you.

Also, having a degree in Psychology does not mean you automatically get people. And it's also a massive act of faggotry if you have to have a bunch of other girls with you to be able to pull.

He probably has to buy them drinks all night just to sit there with him to make him look wanted. Sad.

All of us have gone through the stage of games, tactics, psychology finger rooting and magic tricks. I did, and most of us on this forum have. That aside, one thing I do have to say though is Stonecastle, you need get your head out your ass, wake up! I will not go into all the things which are wrong with you but think of it this way. What your doing is using a mask, let's call it the Style/Mystery/Adam Lyons/Gambler mask. You are not them and as hard as you try, you will never be them. Yes they have game, but their game works for them, each one of the above has a life hobby, something which defines them, something which makes them "attractive". Style: writer, Mystery: magician, Adam Lyons: video producer and Gambler: club promoter. Each one of their styles is different and works well for them. Copying them does not sort out the stem of a problem.

Stop enforcing their way on everyone especially on this forum. If you've learnt to understand the main population of this forum, you'll understand that all of us are no longer apart of the conventional pre 2008 game scene. Instead we are a self improvement forum with a focus on chatting to women. Not a "use x line and you'll get laid 85% of the time" or even "if you touch her in these 3 locations in order it will make her more comfortable with you".

Dude, adapt to what this forum is desired for or go somewhere which will understand and work with you better. i.e. Love Systems, pick-up-artist-forum.com etc*.

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you don't know what the hell I am talking about! I am talking about instead of being a fat lazy, unkempt slob, getting down the gym and working out, buying some nice stylish clothing, getting a good haircut and washing yourself more regularly. Inother words trying to look the business instead of looking like a Rab C Nesbit clone.