This is a discussion, not a bashing Tw1sted. Telling someone to set their sights lower is not acceptable advice. Saying a guy is too ugly for a pretty girl is a nonsense. This is all very defeatist for guys who are trying to push the boundaries of modern society's default position, and accepting what popular culture dictates to us through it's agressive 'quick fix' marketing.

We get sold the handsome man as 'the norm' that we should all live up to if we are to get the girl, when in practice we all follow the man with the strongest sense of belief and reality. We also get sold the 'new woman' who has power. Does she really want this position, or does she want the man to be THE MAN? Unfortunately too many men, my friends included sell out to this bullsh*t and let girls control their lives as they simply do not believe they can do any better. All because they're standards are set so low.

Just re-read Kowalski's post in this thread http://www.puaforum.co.uk/pua-genera...er-things.html

I feel alot better about it now.

Although from my own personal stand-point i'd consider myself at the moment about a '7' as a whole package including looks/personality. I will struggle and I do often struggle to hit it off with those 9s and 10s. However i'm quite happy to be getting more successes with girls at a similar attractive level to me 7s and 8s.

Say if a guy is a 4, don't you think its better for him to be reaping more successes with girls around the same physical attraction level to him say pushing upto 7s rather than constantly chasing the tail of 9s and 10s and being less successful?

If the guy has the looks of a 4 you mean? This is still selling out to the ideal of the handsome man. If the guy feels and acts like a 8 then he'll be an 8. The girl won't be able to resist the behaviours of an 8 over a handsome 4.

There is way too much emphasis in the mind of the modern man on how he looks. It's crackers if you think about it! Because of this men expect girls to chat them up, and as a result will not take action. This is the excuse for their low standards and letting girls walk all over them. They think they are supposed to be the pretty ones. This is not what men are supposed to be.

This maybe the case K, but I think that assuming or accepting this can be classed as a limiting belief. If you decide to rate yourself appearance wise at a 7, don't assume you can't do better than a 7 girl in your mind's eye. To be frank I hate all this HB rating, everyone's tastes are different. My 7 will be different to everyone else's so the whole thing is ambiguous and pointless dwelling over. Go for girls you like.

If Chiles rates a girl as a 10 and claims her for his own pleasure then fair play to the lad.

I can see this point is going nowhere fast! My point got lost a few posts ago.

I'm just argueing that as a man, you should not be concerned/worried with your looks.

Dont worry bro, you'll find your way.

Excellent. I am in full agreement K!

Just coming in on the last few posts about rating yourself and going for a partner of equal 'worth'.....I am still undecided..when I go Sarging and open sets I obviously (naturally) rate each girl to find the hottest girl and to establish my target (so I can ignore and neg her) and I find myself altering my Game depending on her rating: If a girl is a HB9 then I will use a different aproach to say a HB6 - however I have recently been chatting with someone who rates all girls as a HB1 so there is 'no pressure or AA' because they are only a 1 - and so he assumes the higher status / assumes attraction because he is a 10.

Sorry to hack in on this post, but it just got me wondering on how you guys rate HBs when your Sarging and if it affects your approach / technique?

Thanks for the comemnts Kowalski; with regards to the negs etc - that's just my style of Game - I come in under the radar and am a mix of Mr Comfortable and cocky/funny so the negs and her trying to get validation to be noticed just works for me...maybe not the 'nicest' of tactics but it works for me and I never abuse the girls or their trust (see my signiture tagline) but I guess every guy plays slightly differently.

I agree with the rating system and trying to keep consistency - I tend to sub-consciously put them into rough pigeon holes so I can adjust my Game accordingly, but not as extreme as HB7.6 and the like! I often go into sets and find the first girl really stylish, the second girl really 'old fashioned' cute and the third very sexy etc and how to you pick a target from three great girls - well, I don't - I play the Game and see who excites me the most, who plays along and stimulates my mind. It is nice to finally, after all these years, have a choice of who I want to go for - not what I am left with! lol

But I think the most valuable piece of advice I take away from your post is 'every girl is probably a nice person and will want to suck me off'! lol Genius! Amen Brother :-)