Whats up everyone ... my name is Čeef and this is officially my first post ...

I am new to this forum and am not sure what this forum is like ... what type of PUA's use this forum ... and how active it is ... but I would like to give it a shot ...

I am going to keep a journal on here ... and continue posting depending on how well the interactions are flowing ... I would love this to be the forum where I meet a lot of like minded dudes ... and we can share ideas! ... and I'll be posting on others threads as well ...

I'll go ahead and start off with a sticking point of mine ... and I am sure of many PUA's ... and if anybody has mastered this and is current successful in pick up ... please share your insight ...

Being outcome dependent ... as much as I hate to admit it and tell myself that I am not ... when I backwards rationalize ... I realize I am ... here is why ... so at this point I am good at opening and hooking the set ... very rarely do I get negative responses ... and if I do I calibrate ... and stack forward ... I am also pretty good at making conversation and DHVing ... I can keep a conversation going and be accepted in a group as if I was one of their good friends ... what I have been a little uncomfortable with is IODing ... so I am going to fix that sticking point ... but the problem is ... I go out having fun ... I do one set ... I do another set ... and I do a third set ... and they all go decent ... I open and have a fun conversation ... fair ... but now a thought seeps into my brain ... I need to spark attraction ... I need to IOD and create sexual tension ... so the next set I am overly aware of this ... and get uncomfortable about it ... I try a couple of more sets ... the same thing happens and I begin dwelling on the fact that I am not IODing and sparking attraction ... so now I become un-social ... and get into my head ... so I just went from having fun to being outcome dependent ...

So I guess how do you guys who have mastered this ... balance having fun and working on new skills without becoming over analytically and outcome dependent ... I question myself if I should release of outcome completely ... but there is that underlying fear that if I do that ... how will I know if I am progressing and doing good ... but at the same time I have read in books how ... that is the whole point ... to not give a shit and release of outcome completely ... by not worrying about it ... that outcome is actually more likely to happen ... it's like by being aware of it ... you are almost creating resistance against it ...

The human brain is so complex! lol

And yet the vast majority of people who are sucessful with women don't know the first thing about it..

I have no idea what an IOD is but it sounds like some kind of bomb.

But seriously, relax. God you make picking up women sound so complicated and boring. No offence. I just personally wouldnt be enjoying myself with all that nonsense going on in my head.

Be outcome dependant but change the outcome to something more normal. For example an outcome from an interaction could be 'first to decide if they are cool and if they are then to display and develop my attractive traits' rather than 'Im going to trick this girl into thinking I'm attractive because she is hot and therefore of higher value'

I suggest hanging around here for a while and having a look at some old posts, you will see another side to this 'game' you play.

Db

How do your pronounce
Čeef ?

ALso. welcome!

I like that ... especially the fact that you are screening from the get go ... that is actually something I used to do back in my natural before pick up days ... I realize that is a necessary piece to have ...

For sure ... I am actually looking to get in touch with my old natural ways a bit ... based on the way you sound ... it seems to me that is what it's about here ... much appreciated

Č ... is the letter in Bosnia and I believe other slavic languages ... that makes the sound CH in america ... example ... CHanel, CHoo CHoo ... so the pronunciation would be ... CHIEF ...

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Thanks for the feedback ... ... I actually come from a natural background ... I got into this because I wanted to improve the quality of women in my life ... I must say the verbiage was never a huge issue with a lot of these pick up terms and all ... after all words are just words ... somewhere along the lines I lost myself in the sense of always second guessing myself ... and over analyzing social situations ... but I barreled through that for the most part ... now it's just a matter of keeping head strong ... and breaking some old habits ... but for the most part it's all good in the neighborhood

Fair play, yeah I would say the majority vote here would go for the natural take on things.

Welcome!