I'm all for climbing mountains as a hobby, my point is there is no point scaling the heights a girl has to offer if you don't give her something to climb too. that's something no one can give you advice about bit yourself

Can you explain this more, please? At the minute it seems like what you are saying is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. :-/

I think what Darood is trying to say is that you've got to be your best to improve your chances for a girl to like you. I myself want to be my best so that 'I' like me. See what I did there?! No? Fuck you then.

thanks and fuck you too lol

In my opinion the only way to make progress is to practice and practice, and dont be put off when things dont go well.

Last week, myself and 3 wings met up for a drink. It was the first time in over a year, the 4 of us had been out "sarging" as 2 of us have LTRS blah blah, and its hard to keep up gaming when youre in LTRs.

All of us go direct, one wing whose is now in an LTR, 2 years ago couldnt open a set for love nor money, and was going to quit, I have picture of him from last week on a sofa with his arms around 2 HB8s lording it up with 3 amogs looking stunned that they "lost their 2 girls"

Whilst all this is happening the other wing is number closing a girl he grabbed walking back from the toilet.

This situation 2 or 3 years ago would of never happened, but we all have put the effort and are only now reaking in the sucessess and the happyiness now.

So my advice is get a wing, get a good wing, and open open open.

If you have a group of wings you regularly go out with, make game of first to 100..

1 point: approach
5 points: Number close
10 points: Kiss close
25 points: Fornication close

Trust me, if you are motivated to do that, your wings help you out and push you, I guarantee youll make it to 100 in 4 months.

Framejacker, Don't take this advice.

Come Improv and for the night out afterwards. That once a week will help! We have sick nights out.

This is giving a friend advice not endlessly debating.

Also I think he meant a 100 'points'.

No need for name calling

I see the Improv followed by the night out once a week has had an impact.

Ryan's one of the funniest guys I've met, I want him to come to improv for my own selfish reasons.