Encouraging new people? I love doing that! If we're all singing from the same hymn sheet in helping people out fantastic! So you would agree with me Hammertime, to all newbies, Go Get 'em!! Approach, approach, practice and have fun! We're all agreed here?

Harmony in the forum, love it

I don't see this as a big problem here. Routines got me started as talking to a strange girl was completely out of my reality. I didn't need anyone to beat this out of me, I just moved forward as it didn't feel like me (credit to Kowalski & Jynx here for pushing me through this barrier in field).


I don't think everyone did come off the same ship, and I think a lot of people don't 'get' what it's like to be shocking with women. There's a lack of understanding that people need time and patience. It's no good telling someone to just 'man up' or 'be authentic' when they've no confidence.


True, and there's some awesome advice, opinions and help I've gathered and used.


PUA 'shit' covers many areas of game. A lot of people seem to suggest game is all about routines and getting over approaching. There's a whole spectrum of advice to deal with all manner of problems. Some problems pop up at any time in your journey, so referring to help is a surely a positive thing. No shame in that.

Thanks. But isn't that sponsored by the Daily Mail??....If so I think I'll pass.

contrary to what u may think, i kinda agree with nova.. and do it a lot myself, just saying MAN UP.

the tricks & routines are important for someone starting out, coz it gives them a way to feel "i have something to do when i talk to a girl"

but my advice on here is only ever given to people who say

"ive been using routines etc now" which means they are past the beginner point.

its important to catch it early before people turn to weirdo's. i remember a guy on here once said he hadnt had sex in 2 years, followed my advice and got laid twice in a week... think he in boxed me with a thank you.

routines & lines & tricks & PUA will get u speaking to girls & kissing girls (sometimes reluctantly)

being a normal conversationalist, funny forward & direct will get u laid.

once people are talking to girls they need to get to the laid bit.

maybe this forum should have the following sections

1. Not even approaching girls

2. Approaching then pannicking

3. Having convos, gettin numbers, not getting laid.

4. Getting dates but not going further to sex.

these are essentially the growth stages.

maybe this could be looked at from jaz n twisted.

dunno how it would be done. i wouldnt bother giving advice until at number 3. pre number 3 would be

"read some Pua books until u realise they are crap"

I like this idea. It seems people who are new here are in the first 2 stages, they get a bit of an ear-bashing from the more experienced guys and then feel confused or worse disheartened and leave.

I think people here are more 'advanced' than other forums tbh, or at least a better ratio. An observation not a statistic

What did you say to him?


I still can't accept this broad swipe at pua books. There is plenty of good information and tips out there. Stuff that's helped me.

Can you elaborate on the issues you've had with books Phil?

they are predominantly americanised... and any british PUA's are USA influenced.

we don't socialise the same

Russell Kane - Live at the Apollo - Part 1 BBC Live At The Apollo Russell Kane Comedy Clip - YouTube

i started reading all this stuff when i first heard PUA and thought

WOW!!! this looks amazing. then i delved further... and realised its crap. but then i was already approaching girls pre PUA awareness.

... this said, i may have took a lot from the stuff and not even realised. and i do like david de angelo. he has no creepiness about him at all.

but that aside, its important for new guys to read and and come to their own conclusion i suppose.

i know u love to lock horns nova but i'm agreeing with u to an extent.

so i checked out

mystery method CD1

the game (which i liked)

DDA something about laws of attraction. i really like this.

that was kinda it, after it i preferred social understanding and created my own PUA approach i suppose. tailored my own.

cant really remember to be honest, probably same old shit

Stop with the lines and take control.

Would be interested in what this is? Quite into all the law of attraction stuff.

Anyway for me right now I'm doing a lot of self reflection and my success with women is a big part of that. I'm going out with the lads maybe twice a week Ive stopped 'cold approaching' its gay and stressful. If I feel like I ought to talk to someone and something normal and usually environmental pops into my head I will say it, otherwise I still often say hi but only when they look cool and I feel no pressure.

I think just calling it approaching makes it stressful and so I genuinely don't consider it to be that when maybe if you watched me you would say I do it. I also often look for eye contact and some kind of signal before I will do anything.

Right now I'm having a lot of success, I think the no pressure thing works well for me, I get opened a lot anyway so approaching has never been something I've needed so never mastered it and maybe it's a weak point but I have a high success rate when I do maybe as I'm not used to rejection..

I'm pretty fond of RSD material and for beginners I think books like 'the game' are a great starting point, if only to excite people enough to want to look deeper.

First one I read was John Alexanders how to be an alpha male and I advise that to total newbies too, I find glancing though that book to be refreshing even now, it's mostly body language and things that should come naturally over time but it's nice as a check list and I don't remember it being too salesy.

I think the essence of pua is self reflection, a lot of people forget this, and if you cut all the bull shit preaching and sales tactics then you really can find a path to working on yourself from some of the 'pua' books.