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i wouldn't say I'm into 'pick up'. I'm into women, but what functional hetrosexual male in human history wasn't/isn't? It's NORMAL for men to chase women, why do we live in a world where 'men that chase women' feel the need to refer to themselves by some weird niche label and act like they belong to a secret cabal. As if what they are doing is secret and weird?

It fucking isn't. We're all here because our dad's chased our mums and dropped a load into 'em.

Men have been chasing women since forever. Sure some emascualted 'modern' nancy boys refuse to chase women and trying to chase women with those kinda dudes around can be hard work (I guess that's what this thread is really about?). But let's not forget that that's because these emasculated dorks have been conditioned into thinking that you are the weird one.... you know, for actually chasing tail like a man is supposed to and like men have done for centuries.... But seriously fuck those guys. And fuck the labels.

There are people that are on a level and people that aren't. That's it. Hang out with the former and fuck off the latter.

You're so black and white on a topic that has more shades of grey than a Dulux concrete catalogue.

I've heard a lot of people on here say we're conditioned not to hit on girls, and to be made to feel bad if successful. If you believe this you should be fucking ashamed of yourself, because you're just making excuses for your incompetence and blaming it on something outside of your control (society).

Even if this were the case, why would you give a shit? I know when I pull a girl and go back to hers the last thing on my mind is what some group of single guys thought at the bar who aren’t getting laid tonight.

Admittedly I found this forum to improve my ratio of talking to girls and sleeping with them. It immediately became obvious that this should be the last thing on your mind.

The successful guys at 'this' don't chase women. They just attract them.

The Mantra

Explain...

There are many 'emasculated dorks' out there. They can go fuck themselves. Do their opinions or reactions to mine have any effect on my ability to pull women?

Yes.

If they're not getting any, more for me. Girls find it refreshing when a guy who knows himself take the lead and shows them a good time, rather than apologising if they offend them or asking to be in their presence.

'Chase' is an active word. 'Attract' is a passive one. That's why I chose it. But you can sub the word 'chase' for the work 'attract' if you prefer, the essence of my previous post remains the same....why apply a label like 'PUA buddies' to a group of men that have nothing but the natural masculine desire to attract and bed women that all other men that are honest with themselves and comfortable with their sexuality have too?

Is a 'PUA buddy' someone that 'studies' how to get laid obsessively? And wears silly hats and memorizes 'openers'? Because I don't have friends like that. Is a guy who simply strives to improve himself and is confident and socially assertive (and a laugh to go out on the pull with) a friend whom I should class as a 'pua buddy'? Or is he just an ordinary man with a spine and some hair on his chest?

See what I'm gettin at here?

I don't give a fuck about random strangers either.

This thread was about 'buddies'. I know some otherwise great men who happen to be 'emasculated dorks' when it comes to women, most are in 'committed' relationships to abject cunts because they lack the self confidence to liberate themselves from their self imposed slavery.

And 'no' they aren't exactly a blast to 'go out on the pull' with. Because they stand in corners looking like serial killers or bugger off home early doors. I guess that's the closest I can get to offering a response to the OPs question.

I never even entered into or acknowledged the discussion on who you go out with. For the record, I prefer going out with people as friends, and have a good time. Usually it results in at least some numbers being exchanged that night, regardless of my intentions. Ultimately it should not matter who you're out with, you should not be dependent on external aspects to maintain your momentum. People who insist on using PUA 'tricks', or fake openers really annoy me.

No, you cannot sub the word 'chase' for 'attract'. I made a separate point entirely. People who are new to all this like to go out and hunt for girls, they're heavily investing to gain for the present.

People who are in the process of finding themselves have already invested, in themselves. The process of attracting girls becomes as simple as eating a sandwich, not even a messy sandwich, your well-made, tidily packaged sandwich with no excessive drippy sauce.

If you prepare yourself well (the sandwich) then eating just makes sense, and really quite passive (i.e you only do minimal effort to accomplish said sandwich). If you don't prepare the sandwich well, and it's messy, you'll have a hard time eating it. You'll fight harder to keep it all together, and although you may finish it you'll have really made yourself work for it.

Ok here's the thing about the above right. I do care. As man I care about issues that effect men collectively. As a collective. Brace yourselves here comes :

A MEGA RANT/essay/mini manifesto call it what you like...

But I realise that this doesn't come naturally to most men. I realise that if you seek to highlight or explore weakness in other men, then people will often attack you, either on the grounds that you perhaps share those weaknesses or (as you have) on the grounds that weak men are inherently undeserving of sympathy compassion or support...and that furthermore it's best we ignore them totally for fear that their weaknesses or short comings somehow prove somehow catching?

It's not as simple as weak men blaming something outside their control for their own incompetence, to paraphrase a wise man ;You're so black and white on a topic that has more shades of grey than a Dulux concrete catalogue.

EDUCATION AND ECONOMICS

Because we live in a culture that demonises masculinity and masculine values. Seeks to feminize boys from birth. Has adapted the curriculum in order to address a percieved imbalance that disadvantages girls. As a result of all this we are a generation of men that have faced an uphill struggle in rediscovering our masculine identity...We have all manner of social and economic issues that stem from these cultural upheavals...We have a bunch of emasculated nancy boys with degrees in soft girly subjects like 'Marketing literature and media whom we can't employ in a failing economy that simply doesn't have enough 'soft' jobs for everyone. We have to bus in a bunch of 'real men' from eastern europe who (have immirgated into our country en masse under European labor laws) to do all the ' real' men's work (plumbing/building/hard labour) that our educational reforms have rendered our own men incapable or imcompetent of doing efficently or competatively. (And that's not even mentioning the mass outsourcing of labor to places like India /China/ Brazil which is another can of worms.)

FATHERLESSNESS

We have a bunch of young women conditioned to believe that men offer them nothing they can't do for themselves, and these same women are banging out babies and choosing to bring them up alone. Babies that are now 15, 16, 18 year old MEN, that these women can't control, it was these same fatherless babies raised by the 'girl power' generation who were literally running riot across our cities a year ago safe in the knowledge that there wasn't a big man with a belt waiting for them when they got home.

RELATIONSHIPS AND DATING

In relationships and dating we face one toxic impossible woman after another and most men don't have the courage or self awareness or social savvy to recognise these women for what they are and to kick such selfish exploitative bints to the curb and demand better for themselves and so end up enslaved in marriages to these toxic cunts. Toxic cunts who are all too free and all too willing to initiate divorces on grounds of anything they like ( bordom?) and go ahead and claim any assets and children they like in the fallout. Then spend the poor sods hard earned money on botox and new tits so they can park the children they stole with a child minder and go selfishly chasing boys (her son's age) because you know the selfish cunt thinks she's a 'strong' indepdent' 'cougar' now...?

PUA

As for Pua...as a 'movement' for my 2cents It's what happens when middle class nancy boys raised by liberal/feminist mothers infected by the girl power nonsense of feminisim, then in turn feminise their boys into dysfunctional and sexually confused young men. And while a tiny handful of the 'pua material' explores the deeper issues underlying men's struggles to adapt to a changing social landscape in the last 30 years, the majority of it simply strives to expand and increase and exploit the issues of the fucked up dorks drawn to it's 'hollow promises' of golden bullets and quick fixes in a cynical attempt to extort money from them.

IN CONCLUSION

So you are right. It's not just about pussy. I get plenty of pussy and I know most men today don't. And if it was as simple as that I could go get laid and allow the issues that affect sad lonely single/trapped confused men/boys to be the last thing on my mind as i get my nuts in over and over.

But we are all in this (Society/culture/nation) together. The wider issues behind all this shit effect us ALL in profound ways. Men, women and most importantly CHILDREN.

It's time men collectively maned up. Gaming a fucked up system to get your end away and simply thinking 'more for me', might seem like fun for a while, but once you move past that this shit starts to really come into focus...