yeah too many times have I had to wait two hours for the train after a night out. Suuurrrrrrrrkkkkkksssss. When you out Dice

You about next weekend brah?

I'm expecting with your experience now Sha you should be extracting a girl from that club quite early on. But I think you want to have a night out first and pulling is a bonus. I'm not knocking that at all.

You could pull early, get laid then go back to chill out, logistics allowing. I know a guy who used to do this regularly. There was somewhere he used to take them. Then they would both come back and get hammered. Then he'd go home with a different girl.

Just saying. But at least you are getting back out. Wing D!ce.

On Friday I woke up to the 5th Ave girl asking me to go for a drink later that night. I wasnt nervous or anything and I thought we were getting on fine with a few lulls in our conversation (its a first date come on) but she apparently was not enjoying it as she left after an hour. I was even on good boy behaviour that night. Mehhh I guess im meant to be more snappy and chatty. We were sat across a table from each other chatting the entire time and I always wonder if thats too boring. It kinda is to me but I dont know. Ideas? Ive been trying to treat first dates as a time just to chat and kiss at the end. Takes the pressure off.

Saturday I went out for a friends birthday, went for my pre-town snack as I get starving every few hours (to the point I usually go home early due to hunger. I have a crazy metabolism) two girls sat eating food and we sit and chat. I remember making excuses but excuses in the past that were good e.g. im not a performing monkey and its not compulsory. Full circle now as I know now I gotta accept the initial resistance and do it anyway.

I remember my first approach in a bolton club that night. Fucking bitches man, in Manchester girls are so friendly or at least bitchy in a fun way, this girl, a solid 5, just blanks me. I plow for fun and still not even eye contact and her friend does the same.

I am literally too good for these girls. The next girl I speak to does pretty much the same. Fucking bitches. I hope the guys they meet smack them about a bit. My mate has recently started approaching girls but its in this really weird way in which he gay-dances on/to/over to them.

This is why I hang out with girls all the time recently, they are actually more fun, cooler and funnier than the guys I used to hang out with.

Out Tuesday and Wednesday in Manchester so should be fun and I can get back on track :) mainly approaching self-motivated, staying in set/re-approaching then closing.

OK well gonna be kinda blunt but I mean to help:

How do you mean?

If it is to you then it will be to her. Some activity which gives you chance to move around, be silly n actually enjoy your time together.

Doing more fun things/having more fun will indirectly help that.

Sometimes we demean women to protect ourselves you know.

Maybe they are allowed to do what they want.

A pattern.

So rejecting a stranger is worthy of violence to make them more subservient?

Depends on the guys, and the girls, I guess.

The stuff about dating yeah you are probably right or at least worth trying something new out.

As for the rest you take things too seriously. I'm fucking about on violence towards women. Its only around this area girls are rude, and they are always average girls. I've never posted about it in any other place I've been to. The fact is area, population, demographic have a large part to play in attitudes, actions and how they interact socially. It was something I always thought but never mentioned (Thinking it was in my head) but so many people have commented on it - guys and girls - that I'm more vocal about it.

In PU believe it or not, not everything is to do with the ego and state.

Alright Dude!

I think I've told you about my 1st date place before, but its a little bar in St. Annes Square that not many people know about, got loads of character etc. Its got a few conversation starters like an old school jukebox and a pinball machine and stuff. Check it out.

GoodRebel

What's the name of it? I hope girls don't say "Oh I've been on a first date here before!", or I would love that actually ;)

haha its called corbieres, google it. yeah they might start asking your opinions on jaffa cakes!

Actually come to think of it i got this message on Facebook off a girl i don't remember speaking too "It's Chloe from 5th, won't let me add you so you'll just have to cope without me! Was you the guy that asked me if a Jaffa cake was a cake or biscuit?"

GoodRebel

We need a night out or a catch up of sorts. A full night, as we'd end up chatting half the night away anyway mate!!!