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Default INTENT: The final piece to my puzzle - 05-12-2011, 03:09 PM

I've always been a high energy lad. Its one reason my approach game is pretty good. My close rate however isn't something I am proud of. After my first couple of years in the game (yep, it took that long) I realised that the reason I wasn’t getting as much action between the sheets as I was in front of my laptop was because I wasn't escalating the right way.

Call it my deep rooted "nice guy" Bollywood upbringing in India - fear of hardcore physical escalation, call it an expectation of some sort of romance+sex mix and not just pure animalistic sex, call it social conditioning that I needed to feel something more than just physical chemistry with the girl to take it to the next level with her, call it what you will. I just wasn't at a level where getting dirty with women in toilets and getting blown in alleyways was the norm... heck, it wasn't even the exception.

Don't get me wrong, I did get action and a decent amount of it. Just not in the busload quantity I wanted and in the way I would have liked. In the past five years, the number of SNL's I've had (I mean sex on the same night you meet the girl, not sweaty makeouts, not dirty dancing and certainly not a mere kiss on the lips) can be counted on the fingers of one hand. All other girls I've been with are where I've worked my game on her over the course of more than one night. I wanted to reach the master level. Was stuck somewhere between intermediate and advanced. I interpret Master level as where you can consistently get same night lays. That's what I'm in this for.

Normally in-field: I would swoop in with high energy, engage the group, introduce the wings if they were around and would try to focus in on my target. Maybe a number or email close would happen. Makeouts were rare. F-closes, even more so.

Result on most days: Great night out, amazing photographs to show off, respect from the community lads I was out with, girls to follow up numbers/emails with.. but no same night lays.

Something was missing in the way I was doing things to achieve the stellar results that I wanted. I was not turning a girl on, to such a level that she would swallow her pride, and a whole lot more, and go down on her knees right there in the venue.

That piece of the jigsaw puzzle clicked into place on Saturday. My thought process I believe is now on the right track. Those regular SNLs are not far off.

This is what happened...

Was out with Brad, JohnnyB, MarkUK and Hari at a Singles Party in Central London. Brad's not on this forum but did a bootcamp with BradP a few years back. He's got his head screwed on right with regards to theory and is one of the very, VERY few people I have met who is able to read what is "actually" happening in a social situation with a girl as opposed to what is "perceived" as happening by 99% of the folks around (including several "PUAs" I know).

I'll cut out everything except the part of the evening that relates to what I started this post to talk about. INTENT. Soul deep, alpha male, hardcore, I-want-you-so-bad-I'm-gonna-take-you-in-the-alleyway Intent.

Was chatting about same night lays (SNL) with Brad in the smoking area at one point and he asked me to go try something that he thought might work towards SNLs and showing hardcore intent. I said fine and we went down to the bar. Started talking to this hot Polish chick. About 35 seconds into the conversation I reached for her arms, gave them a squeeze, brought her close, looked into her eyes and said, "You know, if there was no one in here, I would take you into that corner.. and f..k you" The part in italics was mouthed and not said out aloud. Full eye contact. No smile (I wanted to, to make it seem less awkward, but somehow managed to stick to the script) I expected a slap or security to be called. Nothing happened. She was still there. Inches away from me. Still looking into my eyes. Still listening to what I had to say. F..K, how is that possible! And I had simply spouted the lines. Didn't really feel any "big intent" and there was no way I was ready to "lead her to a corner".

But just saying those lines and having her still standing there, letting me hold her, flipped a switch somewhere inside me. We proceeded to talk by the bar for a while. I continued to showcase my new found Intent-a-la-grande. Not so quietly perhaps for at one point a girl resembling a plus-size baby elephant from Thailand overheard us and tries to "rescue" my target. The fat girl's friend joins in. They physically push me away because they feel I'm this dirty, creepy guy. They are loud. Loud enough that if they continue for another minute people will start starring and things could go very wrong. I hastily beat a retreat to the lads.

I thought that was that.

Lo-behold! The hottie chats to the obstacles, gets rid of them and she actually comes back to talk to me. WTF.. oh well, it seems to be working so far. We go upto the smoking area after a while. That fat chick is there again, smoking and talking to the bouncer. She asks the Polish girl to get back in and "have a talk" if she wants to. My target nods and dismisses her. I gleefully say, "Have a good night hun!" as she goes inside. Feels nice

The bouncer has obviously had an earful from Miss. XXXXL and ensures that we are not left alone even for a moment. I feel my intent slowly slipping away. We're only chatting at this point as I don't want to kino her in front of the bouncer. More intent downstairs would have set a stronger frame. I didn't do that and now it feels too late. I weakly suggest we move elsewhere in the smoking area but she doesn't comply. It's fading. I leave to join the lads. Some time later I see her leaving and try a number close "..for coffee someday.." (for coffee.. WTF GLG!?!). Expected result. Smile and a No.

Conclusion:

This sh!te takes balls. You have to let go of all your shame. You need to be hungry to fcuk. That absolute hottie got attracted to me because she saw a man in me, but I didn’t escalate soon after I showed intent. Indeed I felt as if I had reeled off a line rather than showed her what was exactly on my mind. But if THAT can spark the attraction level it did, it is time to go all in. I should have tried to fcuk her behind an alley, under the stairs, at least tried dragging her to the corner etc. but was afraid of taking the full on “arrogant male physical lead” mentality.. instead I asked her out for a coffee ---bad! Fcuk coffee man. You are a player, not husband material.

You have to really push yourself. Some moments will be very awkward and downright uncomfortable but that’s something you will have to do in order for women to chase you and come to bed with you.

I am not playing the dancing monkey anymore. This is about playing a high stakes game where you will be hated by some women and absolutely loved by other women. Don’t lose focus. You will succeed.

I realise this is not going to be easy. I realise I might very well lose friends and wings at first who feel I am the guy who creeps chicks out, who might get into fights 'coz some girl calls for help and who gets thrown out of clubs, as I find my way in mastering being congruent with my deep level intent. And I realise if I am to ever taste success big time - and I am talking guru level, I have got to grit my teeth and keep at it. That I am willing to do.

Hardcore Intent seems to work, but no one except the girl I'm with seems to "get it". To everyone else it's as creepy as Michael Jackson date raping Justin Bieber. And that includes quite a few PUAs. To even perceive the matrix like world of social interaction is a huge achievement. To go have a sexual romp in it is phenomenal. And THAT's what it takes to get to the Master Level.


If it is to be, it is up to me

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Default 05-12-2011, 03:43 PM

The trouble with high energy is you look too much like you are trying too hard and in need of impressing girls - fatality!
also you waste your time because often girls will find you amusing and eliviate their bordom even they they dont find you attractive-- so you`ll waste loads of time playing the Jester and you wont get anywhere.


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Default 05-12-2011, 04:03 PM

High energy = American

are you american???

Your also indian, english people are not past the stereotype yet. it was the same with black people when they started comin into maintream UK... then all of a sudden all the women wanna fuck them. (altho i think this is womens lust for the naughty)

there will be a huge asian fuckfest when some guy becomes famous and adored by women... untill then, the only person u have famously to relate to is dev from corrie.

u can say THIS DOESNT MATTER... PUA BOOKS TELL ME SO!! well im afraid it is...

ur only way to beat this stereotype, is make fun of yourself, join in the stereotype....DO NOT MAKE URSELF A JESTER, but instead be cool about it

take this advice or leave it, makes no odds to me... but all the PUA shit u read is to sell u somethin... without a set of balls to say

RACISM STILL EXIST and slap people in the face with a big wet truth kipper.. even if its unconsciously its still there.

what im saying is the issues are not with you, they are with other people... so if you can find a way to get past that social stereotype, u can then start to move forward in actually letting people see u for u


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Default 05-12-2011, 04:46 PM

Nice one chaps. Just to quickly clarify something before we head off on a tangent here; I am reasonably conversant with the flipside of being a high energy dude and with racial stereotyping (or lack of it) by the larger population. Thank You for your comments all the same.

This post was more to share my discovery of hardcore intent, about what I felt like the first time I tried this on a cold approach - before building comfort or even talking to the girl for more than a minute and it's profound effects on my approach to the game. Would appreciate any comments relating to your experience in using Intent in your cold approaches. Instances where it has backfired, instances where you have pulled off the incredible, areas where you think you need improvement and so on.

TC,

GLG


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Default 06-12-2011, 01:56 AM

Hmmm I think you are reading too much into being a PUA GLG. Is that what you really want? I've met you, you are capable of being good with birds without this Master Level nonsense.

You're charismatic, you just need to be more flirty.

Also don't think you do enough with your looks. Personally I would wax your monobrow, maybe get good hair cut and clothes (bit rich coming from me I know, but this is about you here) and maybe hit gym a bit.
Would just make your life easier and you truly would be Great Looking Guy then (bit gay Snake Eyes!)

I don't know too much about your hobbies etc, but maybe look at this too.

Race-wise, in London don't view this as a problem. I went to Uni with loads of Indians, some had stunning birds.

Be careful on the not caring on being a creep. You could just end up with no friends and being a lonely creep who still isn't pulling girls he wants.

Hope you realise my bluntness is me trying to help you here.
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Default 06-12-2011, 09:47 AM

Cheers for the vote of confidence dude lol Looks like you're having a load of fun out there in the Caribbean as well. Might just pop down sometime next year.. we'll take care of jealous girlfriends and nasty housemates together Pity we couldn't meet up before you left.

For now, I'm going to stick to working on honing my Intent and seeing where it gets me. Real life in-field experience speaks for itself and is, in my opinion, the only real measure of a person's success.

Watch this space


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Default 06-12-2011, 10:01 AM

your friend offered you some good advice

forget your intent

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Also don't think you do enough with your looks. Personally I would wax your monobrow, maybe get good hair cut and clothes (bit rich coming from me I know, but this is about you here) and maybe hit gym a bit.
Would just make your life easier and you truly would be Great Looking Guy then (bit gay Snake Eyes!)


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Default 06-12-2011, 11:47 AM

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your friend offered you some good advice
He did it in the best of intentions am sure and he has my gratitude for it

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forget your intent
Here I am going to (respectfully) disagree with a few of you.

We can argue/discuss about whether the "Look & Feel" of a person (Looks, Race, Dress, Haircut, Monobrow, Physique etc) is more important/less important than his game/intent till the cows come home and still not all be on the same page.

My belief is, without strong intent a girl will simply not be pulled the same night, forget about in the same venue.

There is only one way to find out for sure. I'm going to put myself through this, in the field, in real life, like I've said in my first post on this topic. Let us see what happens.

If in a few months intent gets me nowhere, I can always rethink this.

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As an aside, if anyone else in here wants to try the same thing with me, feel free to join in and post in the FRs. I would love to see how different people handle it in their own ways. We will find out if this works, one way or the other. Be warned though, it does take sh!tload of balls and is scary as hell.


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Default 06-12-2011, 11:53 AM

I cant remember the last time i went out with a girl on a date and actually had any intent to do anything with them.
I am always quite happy to get up and walk away wether anything happens or not

you know what - i fucked every one of them with Zero effort

Intent smacks to me as being too much like Wanting and therfore Needing- all of which is semi fail

Dont misunderstand me Intent has its place BUT i think its better in my experience to not give a shit, not be outcome dependant which is basically what you are when you demonstrate intent (in my opinion) its far better to offer an attractive physical package, look, dress, physique and cover those bases first
and cultivate a desire in women to work for YOU rather than some douche standing there saying 'im gonna fuck you'

this is the path ive followed and it works well for me


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Default 06-12-2011, 11:59 AM

The rich man is the man who needed nothing
(made that up by myself)
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