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Went out on Monday to Opus. Went "solo" at first with the aim to eventually meet up with Mr. Shak. (BTW, Mr Shak seems to be a natural at game - so it was great seeing him in action!)

Anyhow, met up with other PUs in the que (from the other forum!) They were friendly enough. One of them looked like George Clooney. Forgot his name, but some of them may venture over to this forum soon. I queued for an hour. Didn't open much..did a few approaches in the queue but didn't really get to a hook stage.

Went into Opus, choded and did more choding. Said the odd "hi!" to a few girls. It's weird how sometimes, approaching seems extremely difficult. However I soon went outside and did my fag opener "got a spare fag?...blah blah" Met a couple of gorgeous ladies, we got chatting and I generated attraction..got to the hook stage. However..they wanted to go back inside so they wanted me to follow them back in. I refused said I would find them back in the venue (needle in a heystack?)....

Later went back out for a cig..saw one of the girls again..(after she opened me). Same story, wanted me to go back in with her..I said would find her in the venue..last I saw of her..

Why didn't I follow them in..well if I would have complied with them that may have been unattractive..but I lost them...similar story to last week in Blackpool. Spoke to Swipe about this....basically...for next time, go in with them..but before I do say something like "reckon you're cool enough to hang around with me?" or words to that effect...don't be as arsehole, just say it in a jokey but dominant way...then lead them in....thanks Swype, I'll use that next time...

Anyway...did my usual cig routine. again. This girl kind of opened me (I think...I don't really know how I got talking to her...definitely got over my AA for the night!) She was surrounded by 2 dudes, but she was kind of flirty..I didn't want to piss anyone off so I asked her...any of them your BFs? Said no. Got chatting to her and tried to chat to the dudes but they were not that receptive..one of them said to me "you're starting to piss me off". I ignored him and carried on flirting. I number closed her in front of them (on my life I don't know what I said to number close her...good state to be in..non-thinking mode!) The guys were getting a bit hairy...one said "sort your shoes out"...I said "ha! sort your face out"..I departed...I texted the girl on my way home saying "hi babe....blah blah...tell your bitter friends from me I hope they lose their virginity soon....peace "

Next day I get a call from an unknown number...it was one of the Chode guys. They got my number, how!?! He was giving me all kinds of abuse on the phone. I hung up. He then tries to call me 7 times that day..I must have really pissed this chode off. Goodness, the hazards of PU..Just hope I don't run into them again..but I'm back out Thursday..could be solo..I don't know what they look like..they'll probably approach me..I'll just look at them in a weird way and ignore them. I don't want to be banned from places again, I know what that is like.

Any advice with dealing with these chodes is welcome...or how I could have handled it better...

Good to have you back.

I can't believe refused to go in with them, twice! After the toilet thing in blackpool too! You know K's gonna have to slap you twice now!
Good advice from Swype listen to it!

I think you might be thinking to much about being non alpha and looking unattractive if a girl asks you to do something but I don't think you need to worry.
I wouldn't worry about lowering your value, they are seeking your approval, your company and in one case sex with you FFS!.
If you say no you are not showing intent and you are showing you are not interested in them, so you will turn them off that way of thinking about them undoing all your hard work and making it harder to get with them.

mark get your basics down stop being a tool if a girl asks you inside why risk not doing it as you said needle in a heystack what outside was keeping you there?
there gonna think your a tool and not attracted to them if you wait outside DONT BE A BELLEND EXPECT SLAPS FROM KOWALSKIS PENIS TO YOUR ASS

It seems you have already built ample attraction in both the last two field report senarios - the toilet in Blackpool and outside the bar. In both senarios the girls are there for the taking and offering themselves to you but you seem to be resisting because you are thinking of the consequences, whether it be rejection or thinking of what someone's rules suggest for creating attraction.

Like K said, if you want to be the leader then stop her for moment, reverse the roles, and take her hand and lead her into the bar/toilet.

Keep at it mate as you are blatantly creating this attraction yourself by being ballsy enough to go up to all these girls and portraying the great fun-time character that is Mark! Just trust your judgement more in the heat of the moment. You don't have to follow other people's rules all the time. Experiment a bit with what you have to offer all these lucky girls.

im going to hurt you sapmi sort your shit out

Firstly that line by Swipe is good, I've used several similar variations, i.e.

"Do you think you can keep up"

"Dont act like a spaz [or insert some other mild neg here] i've got a reputation to keep"

Anyway, Swipes line is pretty tight.

However

This one is a Massive No! To cut an odd and long story very short back in the day I went to both an all boys school (it was shit) and an all girl school (it was awesome) bottom line is, the fact that those two guys were out with that girl means that, even though they weren't bf and gf they were almost 95% there for the purposes of either a) trying to get with her or b) look out for her. Either way, a direct message saying you hoped they lost their virginity soon was bound to get to them. Maybe something along the lines of;

"Didn't mean to offend your friends, I got the impression I wasn't appreciated, by them anyway, so when do you want another conversation?"

or words of similar effect. Anyway, that's what I would have done. Not sure if it will help.

Cube

This is some pretty good advice!

They're friends so of course they are going to talk about it and if you lose the friends then they are more likely to talk about you and put her off you.

Agreed Cube & Tom. No need to focus your valuable time or energy on grumpy miserable loosers like that anyway. Don't let these bitter chodes drag you down into their murky world of pointless niggly battles in front of girls. Value and attraction will definately be lost on them.

I'm beggining to feel sorry for these guys

Actually have you heard from the girl since?

Mate, you have become a tool manufacturer

Right now you seem to be in a place where you do not have much success, as in shags.

So shouldnt you take anything you can get, regardless of how you get it?