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top-hat 29-03-2015 09:13 PM

I figured I should put a little update up to assess where I'm at compared to me my last update.

The biggest improvement in the last couple of months have been texting and tinder. I had a daye last weekend two dates planned for this week and another planned for a the following week.

In terms of wellbeing, it is still very up and down, as stated in another thread whenever I am dating, I get super nervous in the mornings, this probably stems from being afraid of losing it all. Consistency and having a rotation will only help this(until I decide I want a relationship[which won't happen till I'm back in the big city at least]). Since breaking my wrist, hobbies have been on a back burner as my hobbies are sporty. This obviously hasn't allowed me to be grounded and I'll have regular days where I'll just be annoyed.

In terms of career, although it's not my dream job, I'll have paid off my bills in the coming month, so I can actually save for what I want. Which is a place in London to stick up to rent.

In terms of DayGame, I've reverted to how I was when I started, my sets are shit probably 10% end with a number. I manage to get daygame dates here and there but it's not good enough. The issue is conversations not lasting long enough and being scared of them lasting too long (going back to the "what do I say next" stage).

top-hat 17-05-2015 08:40 AM

Mission log 17052015

Morning lads. I've been going through alot recently and I hate coming on here to vent because to be honest my game has come on leaps and bounds. I am now getting the gist of the model(yes I'm following structure to this, shoot me). The only part I can't get past is after the hook point. I've always hated normal conversation and thought it was too mundane, which yes means most of the time I'm a banterous bastard from the get go or the complete opposite when I'm not feeling creative(which I'll usually eject if I don't think is fun).

About a month back I approach this cute Swedish number who from the get go was banterous back. I loved it. I got her out four times and had sex on the second and third date.

In between the third and fourth date I thought it would be a good idea to see a therapist (Skeletor if anyone remembers him), I knew there was something I was lacking and after his session it was very clear that I required a girl to give me a good inclination that shes interested (be it through banter, eye sparkle, etc) before I let go in set, that I find it hard to connect emotionally to people and that I was a masculine man, but I neglected the emotional side.

Back to the Swede, Skeletor advised me to tell her that I was going through some things and I am improving myself and that I wanted an open relationship. I did just that but I was scared of telling her about the open relationship and dithered it until the end of the date. Prior to me telling her we were having a good date, me telling her what was up allowed to let go, it looked as if she was getting emotionally closer to me. We went back to hers and I tried to do what all boys do. The issue though was that she had to pick her mum up from the station, I've had this before with my ex and still continued. She was having none of it and in the end I gave up.

After telling her about being in an open relationship, she was completely cool with it. Which took me by surprise and I tried to explain, which ended in me being needy. Seven days on no response from my text which I sent yesterday. Maybe it'll come back, maybe it won't. who knows.

Back to the good. In the last two months I've had 7(after today 8) new girl dates - 3 being tinder, the rest day game, banged 2(1 tinder) birds and got about 20 numbers. My results are improving a hell of alot better than previously and although this past week has been an emotional roller coaster (Swede and a date yesterday with a crazy bird [who had a boyfriend]) every week I'm learning.

Financially I'm sound, my company is expanding to offer 24 hour support. Which means I'll be on call if a major issue occurs for a week every sixth week. This also means I'll be getting more pay, which brings me closer to buying a flat.

top-hat 26-07-2015 10:12 AM

Hey guys, I want to start documenting what I'm doing again. I'm going on a bit of downer and have been since my last post. I took a holiday to Ibiza which was brilliant to get away from work as well as game.

Two weeks ago, I told my wings I wanted to do more solo stuff because we just weren't doing enough when we were out. In the beginning that was fine, but now it's gotten to the point where I just can't do any approaches. Mentally when I'm walking around my mind is calm until it starts getting towards the end my session (which I'm trying to keep to 1.5-2 hours in the week and 3-4 hours on the weekend).

I know I can do the approach, but as soon as I get in, the women seem to be giving me a weird expression as if they want to leave. Which is probably because I look like I'm scared and I don't want to be there.

I plan on doing 30-50 approaches a week. And from this point I will be accounting for that.

25/6/2015
Had a huge meal which made me fall asleep on the train. When I got into town, I just really couldn't be asked to do anything. I followed a few girls down the road, trying to figure out what I liked about them, as soon as I did they walked into a shop or restaurant. It got to the point where I did one approach and just did my scripted shit instead of telling her why I thought she was cute.

In the next session, I'm going to do 5 warm ups to get out of my head then 5 actual approaches.

top-hat 27-07-2015 09:26 AM

26/7/15

This was by far the best day in a long time, I got 4 warm ups done before I decided to just go ahead and do my 5 proper ones.

The first two ran off as I got tongue tied (I'm trying to keep my opener different and although it holds a similar structure, it's unique).
The third one was a french girl who I teased her about basing her style off of Dennis the Menace, had a little chat before my mind went blank and I asked her a boring question. She was loving it though.
The fourth by far one of the best approaches I've done, it was one of those conversations that makes you go. That's why I do this. I complimented her elegant walk but inevitably ended up taking the piss out of her, conversationally I was free, jumping from her work to movies. My only regret was not asking her for a drink there and then, I was contemplating it, but chickened out. I grabbed her number and got a response...my first black girl.
The final approach was not as good, I came in with a good mood from the previous girl But got tongue tied and ended up weirdly saying "that looks sexy". It's fine to say that, but I just didn't commit to it enough.

So all in all a good day. I'm going to count the warm ups as approaches and slowly replace them with normal ones to convince myself I can go up to enough cute girls in the time frame.

top-hat 02-08-2015 09:42 PM

29/7/15
I didn't manage to get out until Wednesday this week. I had a bit of a health problem, so stayed indoors. When I did manage to get out I was absolutely knackered due to having to wait at the doctors for two hours. I managed to do four warm ups and one proper approach before retiring.

30/7/15
Was first day my wing was out and managed three approaches. One was decent. During the previous week I was trying to figure out some sort of way to have something to talk about when opening. So here comes my super Pua technique which promises to get you laid with super models.

A Assumption (country,job)
C Compliment (legs,facial,fashion) x2
T Tease (walk,face,fashion)
A Animal/Character

I do that before I approach and don't have to worry about running out of things to say.

31/7/15
I had a date with the black girl from Sunday. Turned out she was an absolute princess. Kept questioning why I was getting close to her touching her and looking at her. In hindsight I made a few errors. Most girls barely give me shit tests and if they do, I handle it through my banter. Today I wasn't banterous. This one gave me a ton. I was also a little needy.

1/8/15
Did seven, I always start off quite well. Banterous, happy but when I don't keep going, my mood dissipates. Got a number off one who wouldn't stop giggling.

2/8/15
There wasn't too much out today. I managed five. The best one was the last one, but even that was a bit shit.

Things to work on
Do the first 5 within the first hour. This week I only managed 20. 10 less than minimum.
Keep practicing acta. As occasionally I take too long with it.

This week is quite a big week for me. I have an interview at a big project management firm in London. I'd really like this job so I can move back to London. The pay is decent enough, so I can still save enough for the properties I plan to invest in.

markuk 09-08-2015 11:09 PM

Hope the interview went well buddy.

top-hat 10-08-2015 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by markuk (Post 96424)
Hope the interview went well buddy.

The interview went really well. Got an email back for an assessment day just now! Need to start studying my numerical reasoning.

top-hat 10-08-2015 05:43 PM

Wrote a really elaborate field report but it disappeared on submission. It was of how for the first time I revised for an interview which caused it to go really well (answered every question with great articulation), did 4 approaches on saturday, 2 on sunday, saw the jap after coming out of set, took her out, took her back to hers, did the naughty, really hungover, didn't go to work, naughty again and then got an email back from this employer for an assesment centre. Dreams do come true.


top-hat 07-09-2015 12:05 AM

Ok so I didn't get the job, I caught tonsillitis the week before and couldn't revise. Brilliant experience though.

The saturday prior, I felt like going into town to get some fresh air and talk to some honeys.

22/8/15
Spoke to 10 girls, no numbers, my game has been pretty shit recently. I've only just figured out why, but it's also a lack of consistently going out.

After my interview on the 24th. The tonsillitis crept back in, and as well as going to my mums until...

30/7/15
I came out purely to get some air and promised myself not to talk to anyone. I met up with my younger cousin later. We always have the patter and stare away at the pretty ladies as you do with your mates. He really suprised me. Went up to a really hot Thai girl he then went and did another, then another. Ended up doing 5. I was flabbergasted. It was like watching him grow up. Put a tear to my eye. Anyway, he forced me to do one...well more like I got jealous he was having fun and I wasn't.

31/8/15
I went out alone to do 10, ended up getting quite annoyed and only doing 2.

1/9/15
Ended up doing 5. So happy with the day, I can't seem to get the conversation going, but had a laugh with a girl who had a silly hat on. Called her pied piper.

6/9/15
Went out with my cousin again. We had a proper laugh, ended up doing 4 and then another 3 when he left. Had two or three decent conversations. One of which I completely forgot to get the number because I thought it was going badly. In hindsight we were having a bit of banter and it was going ok.

Right, so the reason today went alot better is because I figured I'm pussying out way to soon. I'm not even getting past the opener and stacking. When I first started doing daygame again this year I got a run of success and completely stopped having proper conversations, whilst still riding the wave of success. This caused a bit of a habit. And after taking a break, when I wasn't getting success I continued like this blindly.

So the target is to relax a bit more and actually try to talk, ride out the awkwardness until they leave.

Oh yeah and I did 18 this week. Go me!

top-hat 20-09-2015 07:06 PM

Week commencing 7/9/15
Last weekend I really hit bottom, approach anxiety hit me hard. Even throughout the whole week, I'd felt maybe I'd regressed to when I was a 19 year old trying to do approaches in St. Albans.

I ended up doing 2 during that week and 2 on the weekend.

20/9/15
Today was perfect, I decided to try something new, I went to the less busier side of Oxford street to attempt to do some warm ups. I did 5 before I went to get a coffee. On the second outting my anxiety built up, but I managed to do another 5. All being good reactions. After 10 I crashed, anxiety crept back up again until I saw...

Serendipity and MarkUK, we caught up a bit, did some approaches. And I ended on 16 approaches.

Notes:
Of the girls I spoke to, about 6 of them I got past the hey you look cute because xyz. And I could've gone further with 3 if I didn't run out of things to say. This will improve if I can do this amount more regularly.

Most of the reactions were good and if they weren't it was due to a weak approach or the girl just not digging me. The big key is to smile!

Generally after a while as per usual, my game dissipates. Today it did, but it was only the last 2 where I went in weakly, without believing I'd do alright.

This week was a massive change to how I've been in the last couple of months. I can only improve if I do approaches. I will keep this up!

Oh p.s. I'm loving this fashion week thingy. Hot girls everywhere. Hipsters, fashion girls! ooooo baby!

top-hat 23-09-2015 09:16 AM

22/9/2015
I walked into town yesterday, feeling like I didn't want to do anything. I approached a girl outside Tottenham court station. She stopped, liked it. But for some reason I ejected. I could clearly see she wanted to know what would happen next.

I kept on coming up with excuses not to approach, "it's dark, I feel like a stalker, she's not hot, she's too hot, ok fine just another". The next one was a black girl, who eyed me as I started walking to another girl. She was hotter and well she eyed me. It went ok, I could've done better, but sadly it didn't get past you look nice.

As stating in my previous I've learnt smiling more is important, so they don't think you're boring...or crazy. I need to persist more, but I'll let myself off for it being the second one and I really wasn't feeling it.

Finally the last one was a tourist which I approached in Covent Garden, Brazillian. Ended up taking her off to a pub for a drink. She was a bore and kept talking about Brazillian politics. In fact I had more fun making fun of the Americans next to us. I felt like it wasn't on so I left to go home after an hour. Maybe I should've persisted. Who knows, added her on Facebook. The only thing I'd fault myself on in the stop is talking too fast and not building up anticipation for my teases. I was nervous and wanted to blurt out everything at once.

I'm quite happy though, in the past 3 days I've spoken to 19 girls and got my first instant date.

top-hat 23-09-2015 10:18 PM

The thing about Daygame is it can be work. I'm not going to deny that. I restarted this journal again when I had stopped going out with people. Mentally this is tough. There is noone there to pull you out of the work rut (which has affected me quite alot this week).

Hence why momentum comes in. I work a job which is solving my company's software issues. This can be rewarding, but it is a solo thing. I work in a team of 6, our conversation is on Skype. Socially this isn't ideal, not only do I come back from work drained, but I am socially dry.

To get lubricated, I need to do warm ups. It depends how I feel, it could be as basic as asking for the directions to an obscure location, to telling a girl she's hot and why. I usually class the first few as throwaways. Efficiently, this is not ideal but it works. And as I don't go out with anyone until the weekends, it is my only option.

Particularly in my last post, I sounded negative. This is due to writing it at work. I didn't feel that way, in fact I think taking a girl from the street into a bar is a result I need, to prove to myself that I can move forward.

During my last year of uni, my daygame was top class. I was shagging a bird a month, and was putting minimal mental and approach effort in. When I would go out I'd feel like I was walking on a cloud. The past couple of months I've been in a hardcore plateau. My motivation had diminished, but through success, I can move forward.

Daygame can be incredibly enjoyable, but this is due to one thing: interactions going well. Success breeds success. This is why the emphasis is mainly on your mood and momentum.

I completely agree that I should care less and focus on enjoying myself, be that through chatting to birds or not.

In your last comment you ask me to describe how my warm ups differ from other approaches. I believe that I have some sort of lack of belief within myself which prevents me from persisting, I will just eject out of a conversation (as I did yesterday in my first approach) and say I still did the approach, essentially to get my numbers up.

top-hat 24-09-2015 10:03 AM

It's funny, I stopped posting my daygame stuff and started only posting when I was getting laid. Honestly, without daygame, I would not have gotten laid. Daygame gave me a confidence that I had not had before. And this was after I got over the running out of things to say. I only post my problems and major successes here. You can see through my writing style on my journal, I put very little effort. But only do with a problem or success.

Sadly, I was/am going through that again. But that is because I lost confidence, due to not doing enough, or some other aspect of my life had affected me. I will admit I should be alot better than I am now and I shouldn't be sabotaging myself by exiting conversations so soon or doing pointless warmups.

As I stated previously. Due to not doing enough and losing confidence I started doing warmups again. I made the decision to go back to the basics. This I think has been successful.

In do have fun, maybe not currently. But I have had fun. And it all started from Daygame. I would get one piece of success, that would make me confident in other areas of my life. Like getting my first job preparing for an exam and dealing with issues with people. I'm not saying I rely on women to get happiness, but success is still success. If I passed an exam it would help me with women. It is all about the overall mood.

The difference between me now and me in university when I was getting laid is a few things:
- Having my friends around me
- Having a hobby (American Football)
- Going to the gym
- My Daygame
- Getting laid once a month

I hate to blame it on any specific thing but I think the reason I've been in a rut for so long is because:
- Moving back to Luton
- Living with parents (lacking independence)
- Not having a friend base here
- Wasting at least 3 hours of my day travelling to and from work (= lack of sleep)
- Breaking my wrist
- Not being able to work out for a year

Maybe I am mad for continuing to daygame instead of working on my career, but I can't think of a better way to chat to birds whilst saving money. From having success earlier this year and on off throughout the year, it is the only way to move forward. I've also not posted alot of my stuff on here. This year I've been laid 4 times nearly 5 (nearly had one in the toilet). Probably about 15 dates. This is all from living at home and doing stuff away from home.

Now to change my sistuation I have decided to:
- Stop being stuck in a rut and actually try with birds again
- Move out and to London (be that through this job or through another, all my friends are in London, independence and somewhere to bring birds back)
- Search for a new job in London (so I can get a good nights kip and travel to work)
- Started going to the gym for 2 weeks now(keep me energised and stress free throughout the day).

I have started all of this in the last month, I know I've been riding on the line. How can I chat to birds when I'm annoyed.

I enjoyed reading the alphabet post, I think the issue is more that I sabotage myself. But this is a good way to start.

top-hat 24-09-2015 01:48 PM

These are decisions you've made. Besides the coppers, you knew this before doing it. Maybe it is an age thing or maybe it is me personally. My issues that I've stated are just life issues. I'm not some depressed kid crying every night because his life isn't going as planned and I'm sure you're the same.

What I mean by sabotage, is I will go up to a girl and by habit I will just exit the interaction. This does not happen all the time, but generally during the first few. It is something I need to force myself out of. I don't know why, all I know is it happens occasionally.

I have scrapped ACTA. It's similar to alphabet (gives you a topic to talk about).

Maybe this is denial, but I think all this thinking will be more of a hindrance. It is good to think about it sometimes. But to prevent me thinking about it all the time, maybe it is better to just let it go and not think about it. My game is full of ups and downs. I've stated here previously, I use this forum usually during my downs.

But I suppose we all do that, instead of thinking about all the problems in our lives, we choose to either look passed them and look forward or look at them, create a plan of action and move forward with that.

"But denial also has its benefits. "
Seems like you're attacking me, but I'll put my 2 cents: You are right, it all makes logical sense. But don't use some snidey comment to give a point, give me food for thought, give me anything but a silly comment...or maybe I'm reading it incorrectly?

top-hat 28-09-2015 10:25 PM

So last week I went off out another two times on Thursday and Saturday.

I did about 5 on Thursday and 5 on Saturday where I did another 5. I randomly met up with this lad who saw me approach. All was well the first day, but the second day he started moaning about his life. Real party pooper. I thrive on myself having a laugh with others.

top-hat 01-10-2015 10:59 PM

As a couple of you guys know, I did some training on the weekend. Paid a bit of money, but I believe it is money well spent (I'll write up a full report later). Today was the first session back since then and it went well...

I did 10 approaches, the first of which was a girl waiting for her friend, thought I'd give her a compliment as I was on my way to my mate. I started to eject but she said something and we kept chatting for a bit.

The second was this lovely little Scottish girl, it was quite a short conversation, she seemed like she wanted to leave but I probably could've kept going.

Finally after an approach where the girl blew me out and said in a deep Russian accent "what you want". I hit the jackpot. I spoke to this girl for quite a while, it was all going well until she said she was engaged. Ah well, still got her number as she was a lovely girl.

The next one of significance was another with a boyfriend. Her body language said she wanted it, but last minute said no. Very sexual interaction.

I had a lovely chat with a Swedish stunner on her way to pick up her friend at Heathrow, I was starting to run out of things to say with this one. Just couldn't keep myself on the ball.

Finally I got a number off a Posh South West London girl. The conversation wasn't on point, she was quite a shy girl. But we got there in the end.

I think what I need to work on is slowing down a bit in the beginning and teasing a bit more, towards the second half I was speaking too quickly and the chat was a bit bland. Note: I'm doing the model correctly and it is paying off. I will work on the above over the next couple of sessions and see where I'm at.

BroadswordWSJ 02-10-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by top-hat (Post 96850)
Note: I'm doing the model correctly and it is paying off.

What do you mean by this?

top-hat 02-10-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadswordWSJ (Post 96851)
What do you mean by this?

It's the daygame model. Paying off means my interactions are lasting longer, going well, fun and I'm getting numbers

BroadswordWSJ 02-10-2015 11:24 AM

Whats the daygame model?

top-hat 02-10-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadswordWSJ (Post 96854)
Whats the daygame model?

Bit like mystery's MM but not so structured.
This will explain better:

Stein 02-10-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 96856)
DuckDuckGo says this is the daygame model:

https://krauserpua.files.wordpress.c...g?w=1024&h=600


Peace,

kowalski

Jesus fucking christ....

top-hat 02-10-2015 03:17 PM

I'll see how it goes for the next few months, so far it's going well and has been whenever I've attempted to implement a model in the past. I've committed this much, so I will continue.

Serendipity 08-11-2015 12:49 AM

I think it's good that you are exploring this, committing yourself and working through it.

I've got a lot of respect for Tom. I've done a bootcamp with him he knows his stuff. Krauser's model is a bit sequential and quite complicated but it's correct and works once you can understand it in context. And I have always been envious of his results.

It's not a rigid thing. It's initial scaffolding to give you something to work to then you can personalise it as you gain experience. Ultimately the journey is your own.

Just keep working with it like you said. The process can take you up a step

BroadswordWSJ 08-11-2015 07:55 PM

Tom Torero is a complete laughing stock, fake & a failure. He most definitly does not "know his stuff" - he's just another budding marketer & business man.

I don't know who Krauser is, but based on that picture Kowalski put up it's probably best i don't know.

Stein 08-11-2015 10:00 PM

Tom Torero has the face of David Cameron and the game of David Brent.

Nothing to do with anything, but it's all I can ever think when I see him

Shahanshah 14-11-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stein (Post 97917)
Tom Torero has the face of David Cameron and the game of David Brent.

Amazing. Best post of the year.


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