Serendipity - night game
 

I was out in London tonight.

First bar, hardly any women. Talking shop and drinking with my colleagues.

They left, I headed home but decided to try a bit of solo on the way.

Second bar, two women chatting together at the bar talking in Spanish. I got closer and closer but waited too long, overthought and shit out of talking to them. Had a chat with the barman instead. They left.

When I was about to leave this tall beautiful girl came up to order drinks for her and her companions.

Me: Hi, so you must be a model?

Her: No (laughs embarrassed), I could probably earn more money doing that.

Me: Not even part time?

Her: No...I wish.

Me: Well you should be cause your are stunning.

She says thanks, blushes and collects her drinks and goes back to her friends.

Third bar, went for a wander. There's a free table and I sit down. Soon, three women sit down at the free seats at my table. It sounds like they are talking in Spanish. I start talking to one of them.

Me "Do you speak English?"

Her "I'm Italian"

Me" Oh, I wasn't sure, are you here on holiday?"

Her "No I live here"

Me" ah, ok"

There was a lull. There were two mature women (nearer my age) and a younger one who was very hot.

The one who lives here and the hot one went away (to order food and drinks at the bar I expect) and the mature one who didn't live here was alone. I asked her name.

Me and Silvia had a 10 minute conv about Italy (I've been there once). She showed me some photos of her on the beach (with her man unfortunately). But she was nice.

When the others came back with there food I took it as a sign for me to fuck off. So I said bye to them all and left.

Not all bad.



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my analysis of tonight..

For some reason I assumed the 'model girl' was with a guy, but I didn't look to see or ask so I don't know. I flattered her and got a decent response from her but didn't follow up on it.

At the third bar the two mature women were not available / not interested. But the young hottie did throw me a few glances. She was kinda interested. I didn't have a clue how to get her away from the main cockblocker (the one who lives here and saw herself as protecting the others, especially the young hottie). I didn't see Silvia as a cockblocker as I'd already connected with her and we were cool.

Grateful for any suggestions.

I'm posting a day game follow up to this report seperately.

sorry about the multiple posts on this report, I'll avoid that in future.

There was another interaction on that night (Thursday) that I forgot to mention.

As I was about to leave the third bar to go home when I passed a really cute girl at the bar trying to remove something that was stuck to the sole of her shoe. This gave me my opener so I approached and said how I hated it when you get chewing gum on your shoe.

she pointed out it wasn't chewing gum but a label or something. I responded that it didn't matter, because my reason for coming over was to tell her she was very cute.

I'm a bit hazy on what exactly happened after that. I think she said thanks, there was some eye contact, no talking. She had a nice face and body. I got a good feeling so I think I could have taken that further if I hadn't had so much to drink. Maybe I used that as an excuse (i.e. ejecting for fear of screwing up). I think I said have a good night and ejected.

Although I was a bit under the weather the next morning (I sat up half the night writing the report) I was still buzzing so I decided to try some day game. I'll do a single post on a separate thread of what happened on the day thing.

On night game, using alcohol to reduce AA and ejecting early seem to be my main problems at the moment. But I think I'm taking baby steps to get a few positive experiences under my belt to help with my confidence with talking to women I don't know, which was pretty much zero a few months ago.

Thanks, that's useful. I'll concentrate on upping the number of approaches.

Nothing too exciting to report. But I've noticed quite a shift in my attitude toward women. I don't go out to pull, I go out to have fun and women are a bonus. I want to have fun with them too.

In my local tonight I got a really strong eye contact from this woman. She was with a guy so I didn't engage with her but it's weird how I'm getting this sort of thing now that I didn't before. I think women are psychic.

I can be walking past a women and stop her for a chat. It seems quite easy (after a few drinks). Before I would have put it off until 'next week'. This is a vast improvement for me.

I also go in with a much more fun attitude. I'll say something totally stupid (in a fun way, not rude or disrespected) just to see their reaction and get some interaction going. If they respond it can go on for a long time. I'm still a bit shy on closing.

The advice and encouragement on this forum has made a big difference so thanks.

I'm probably going to get a name for doing this but I've got an adjunct to the previous post on last night. It's just some more detail that might be useful and / or entertaining depending on whether you're a beginner like me or a master. With my usual ..stuff in brackets.

Anyway here goes...

Start of the night I see a woman who looks my type (that is.. hot, sexy, beautiful, cute, etc) come into the bar with her man. I immediately switch off cause she's taken. But she's sexy.

Where I stand happens to be a good place cause it's on the route to the ladies toilets. I'm chatting with my mates and maybe 20 mins later she comes around past me to go powder her nose.

The only way I can describe the EC she gives me is it's like in 3 seconds she has undressed me with her eyes. So I'm now in state for the night, thanks for that luv.

I can't wait to get to the next bar cause there's no available women in this one. We get there and I'm tempted to stand at a table near the toilets but don't. Instead we stand at the end of the bar where there is very little passing female traffic.

There's no women in range, so I gradually move along the bar until I'm next to two women, one of which is ordering drinks.

Me: Mines a Budweiser
Her: she stares at me (is this guy trying to bum a drink or is he being cheeky)
Me: do you think I'm joking? (smiling, laughing)
Her: getting attended to and ordering her drinks
Me: I turn to her friend, who is the one closest to me and say 'why won't she buy me a drink'
Her: I would buy you one but I have to keep the taxi money
(I realise at this point that I've probably carried the joke a bit far and my smile and laugh didn't help)
Me: Do I really look like the kind of man who can't afford a drink?
Her laughs...no
Me: you don't need a taxi tonight, my place is within walking distance of here
Her: hysterical laughter.
They go back to their seats smiling.

I went outside for a ciggie and had a deep conversation with the girl who is one half of the bar security team. She was sober as a judge obviously. I talked about my desire to stop smoking. I hate talking about myself to women but I kind of went down that rabbit hole. Anyway she was cool. After 10 mins I started wondering if I should NC but I thought "no don't".

I spoke to a few women inside, just passing them I'd say, "hi how's it going?" nothing really materialised from that although everyone was happy. I think when you do that with energy it helps the vibe in the place in general to be good.

Outside again (all my most interesting interactions seem to have been outside smoking and I want to stop, bit of a paradox there!)

These two hot girls come outside and I open them. I don't know how but I know it was well within the 3 second limit. I just said something. 15 seconds later the 3 of us are rolling around with laughter (the wonders of booze).

I ask their ages, one is 22 and the other is 23 years old. They are both fit. The 22 year old was absolutely gorgeous. The other one had a stud in her nose. I asked if it was a diamond cause it looked like a diamond and she said it was fake (howls of laughter all round again).

They both ended up hugging me and kissing me on the cheek before they headed off to somewhere else.

There was a woman in their that I spoke to 2 weeks ago. She's kind of hot and at one point she was laughing with her friends but was giving me EC.

Out of the doldrums I was in a few months back I feel t's all to play for now. Just need to keep making the effort.

Went down the local town tonight.

England game on in local pub. Bit of a sausage fest but one beauty (think of a Singapore airlines stewardess) with her friend and two guys opposite at a table so assumed a foursome date. I wanted her.

Me standing at bar and she appears beside to order drinks, we EC and she smiles, I smile back but say fuck all.

I watch and the two guys disappear (lesson...never assume). A few AFC's try it on but she's not for it. I was gonna approach but I notice by now she's talking with her friend and crying, dabbing eyes with hanky. Instinct told me not to approach a highly emotional woman, even if she's gorgeous.

Moved on to the busiest bar in town where the pussy is. Decided just to socialise not game.

Talked to a lot of people, both guys and girls. Helped a Canadian woman who bought a load of drinks at the bar carry them back to her table, then I sat down with them. Her friends were a gay guy and two other women.

They were all really pissed as they were on a after work do drinking from 5pm. The Canadian woman and one of her friends just wanted to dance all the time (not great dancers) the other one was not great looking and miserable. I tried to cheer her up but she wasn't having it. Ended up having debate about Scottish independence with the gay guy (I'm Scottish originally).

Saw one girl dancing who was really good. When she went back to her table I went over, tapped her on the shoulder and told her she was good. She seemed really pleased because she said her friend was trained and she wasn't. She also pointed out her massive boyfriend was just behind her (thanks for the warning).

Talked to three young guys who were body builders and drinking Jaeger shots. They seemed to know anything cool that was going on in town and when. (My new mates?)

Talked to a school teacher who said she loved my accent. She was so drunk she fell asleep with her head on my shoulder. I put her in a chair and got security to call her a cab.

Stood outside for a while and chatted to the smokers but didn't have one myself though liked breathing in the fumes (I'm trying to quit at the mo).

When the lights went up I didn't wait for the chucking out nonsense and headed home happy.

Down local town again tonight. Just socialising no gaming.

It felt like I took two steps backward.

I was expecting this to happen at some point because things had been moving forward quite well recently.

I know part of it is the nicotine withdrawal as I've been trying to quit smoking the last two weeks. The patches don't seem to give enough of the drug and I felt irritable all day.

Beer didn't help and I was sending out the totally wrong vibe for being social. I felt that everyone apart from my mates avoided engaging with me. That's normal when you're a stranger but usually I can persevere and overcome that... not tonight.

It didn't help that the bar was rammed and cock heavy. Very few accessible women in there.

The only person I ended up getting on with was the bars resident amog.

another day tomorrow and back on the path, probably with the help of cigarettes, at least for now.

Down the local town tonight again (Saturday).

I had a shit night on Friday so was determined to redeem myself tonight.

It wasn't too bad overall. I learned something about myself.

First I went to a bar I hadn't been in before. There was a wedding reception going on. I was literally the spare prick at the wedding. Total shit so I didn't even finish my drink and headed to somewhere else.

Met up with my mates and we headed to another bar where a live band was playing. There were some women in there who were desperate for a man, I could tell that the way they were looking around.

I'm not that confident a guy and don't consider myself very good looking but I think I was probably the best available prospect in that place.

But the women in there were either unavailable or they were too self-conscious to actually engage in conversation with a stranger. I didn't try very hard though to engage with them.

It wasn't a pickup bar.

Still it's encouraging when you walk into a new environment and you get signals from women that they are interested, even if it's not leading to anything at the moment.
At the third bar we ended up at a woman kept eyeing me and I thought she looked very good. She was with her friend and I overthought the approach.

My first thought was to go over and say "you know you like me and I like you so let's just have a chat and get to know each other" but I totally crapped out of doing it. It's a gut-wrenching feeling.

The main difference from the last weekend is I did some cold approaches in the daytime / weekdays and I was much more confident.

I seem to need to really tested myself in the daygame to give me the confidence to approach in the night time. And It seems to work.

So now I know what I have to do.

Timber Hawkeye:-

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The most liberating and empowering moment for me was when I stopped blaming other people[and things] for my unhappiness and realized that my perspective on life is not just the problem, but also the solution!

My advice is a bit sketchy here because I'm still trying to practise what I preach, but you need to change that attitude. If that's what you think about yourself, that's also what your going to portray to women you interact with.

As they have this magical sixth sense of female intuition that we're not blessed with they could sense something is a bit broken with the vibe you put out as a result of these thoughts.

Thanks for your comments guys.

Re- reading my report of the nights events (or rather how I perceived them) is revealing.

As kowalski suggested I'll try to post a second version with as honest an evaluation as I can give.

I'm conscious of the fact that making excuses for my inaction has developed into a habit over the years and I need to get better at recognising when it's happening so I can stop doing it.

Also there were some short interactions that I forgot to mention. They semed trivial but they must have come into my mind later for a good reason so I'll include them in second version.

BroadswordWSJ - advice not sketchy at all - very perceptive in fact. I thought the same when I read it next day. It's not good that I'm thinking that way when I'm out being social.

I think there are some women out there who consider me to be very good looking.

The lack of confidence has been the main obstacle to me getting out, finding them, approaching them, interacting with them.

But I feel I'm going in the right direction.

I should add that I now understand 'lack of confidence' is itself an excuse for not taking action.

Waiting to be confident before taking action never works, I know that from my own experience. You need to take the actions first to gain experience, improve, then the confidence comes after that. But it involves taking some risks.

The first obstacle is actually fear. Fear of failure, embarrassment, rejection (AA is a perfect example). And the more you avoid facing up to it the larger an obstacle it becomes.

It starts to dictate how you behave, which leads to your comfort zone shrinking instead of expanding.

I just properly lol'ed in the middle of my French class.

If you fear getting rejected I advise try and get rejected a few times. You'll see it's not too bad and nobody dies.

Exactement!

Have you seen the film 3 Kings? *Paraphrased* There's a part in it where a soldier has been advised to go into a war zone and fight - he's never been in live combat.

George Clooney: You're scared?

Soldier: Maybe.

George Clooney: The way it works is you do the thing you're scared shitless of first, and you get the courage AFTER you do it, not before.

Soldier: That's stupid. It should be the other way around.

George Clooney: I know. But that's the way it works kid.

I agree with the soldier, but I suppose its true.

I say my advice is sketchy because I'm a complete beginner at this and I think this will take me longer to grasp than others. But funnily enough Dale saying being rejected isn't that bad - last weekend I watched my female friends being hit on at least 5 times and they rejected all the guys and they were all pretty cool about it, in some cases they even played along and gave some good banter back.

I've seen the film, and good example.

I'm not too worried about rejection at the moment. From where I'm at now, managing to approach seems like a success in itself, so what happens after that doesn't seem to matter too much.

I've not made any emotional investment in the girl at that point so what's lost?...nothing.

Times when I've been gutted by rejection is when I've made an emotional investment in the girl before even asking her out. This has happened to me a few times at work. I think I came across as needy and desperate.

This is why I got interested in learning PU - to be better able to find out quickly if a girl is interested and if not move on to the next one. That was the objective anyway.

But realising now that getting there involves a lot of soul searching and facing harsh truths, self-acceptance, etc. It's much deeper than I expected.

I suppose it's manning up. Which is no bad thing whether or not it gets girls.

Saturday 14/9/13 - revised report

First bar - didn't consider talking to any women as all women there seemed to be with their bf/husband.

A hot woman came in. Didn't try to talk to her as she was surrounded by the three guys she came in with.

Second bar - looked like tail end of a wedding reception - about 10 people who seemed like family / close friends - taking photos and all that.

back to first bar - mates turned up and we talked about random stuff. had a good laugh. Wasn't really looking out for women at this point.

third bar - first time in here - show band playing. Some younger girls standing watching. I went up and stood next to them but didn't make EC or talk to them.

I thought they looked too young - maybe 18 and younger.

Talked to a few guys standing around watching the band who seemed friendly. Two older women got up and danced.

They went past me to sit down I said to one over my shoulder "hey your a good dancer". She laughed saying she was just helping her sister out and walked on.

An older woman with slightly buck teeth sitting at the bar near where I was standing kept looking around at me. A guy kept hanging around her but she didn't seem comfortable with his attentions.

I avoided EC with her in case she thought I was interested.

There were some other older women who seemed to know everyone in the bar. In fact everyone seemed to know everyone else.

fourth bar - recollection is a bit hazy but remember two decent looking girls, one checking / fixing her outfit in a mirror outside the ladies toilets.

As I passed coming out of gents I said "you look fine", they both looked around then giggled but I didn't stop as I felt too pissed to have a convo.

I think this will be the strangest report I've ever made so far...

To cut it short I had to travel to a central European city for a business meeting today (Wednesday).

On Tuesday night, a few hours after I arrived, I got talking to this Norwegian nutcase in the hotel bar.

We ended up in the red light district hanging out with this pimp guy, smoking Moroccan hash and drinking, then I banged two prostitutes (not at the same time).

I had a bit of buyers remorse this morning. Not much game required when you are paying for it. But got in about a couple of voluptuous tarts so it wasn't all bad.

The first one was pretty mechanical and awkward (I've had a very very long dry spell) but the second one went much better and we connected a bit.

It wasn't planned and wasn't really what I was looking for but I just thought ...fuck it, go with the flow.

And the business meeting went quite well too.

Down the local town tonight again (Friday 21/9/13).

I'm treating these local nights as 'getting used to being social nights'. Out with my mates and chatting to women as an incidental thing rather than the objective of the night. It takes the pressure off a lot.

After my midweek escapades travelling, working and shagging hookers I felt a bit drained but still saw plenty of women tonight who got my motor running.

First bar - met a few blokes I hadn't talked to before and had good convos with them. We shook hands at the end, good interactions and connections made.

First bar said hello to a bunch of 5 girls who didn't respond. I think I spoke too quietly...timid.

Second bar - lot's of young girls, some really hot, surrounded by guys. I didn't open any of them individually or in sets.

I got the 'too old' thing in my head again. Although the truth is I've never had a bad response when I've actually talked to younger women.

Third bar - eventually opened a 5 set of women. I started talking to one who was, in looks, somewhere between the foxy one I was after in the first place and the ugliest one of the group.

They very quickly guided me toward the ugly one cause she was Scottish like me and I forced myself to have a 10 min convo with her. The others fucked off somewhere to leave us alone.

My heart wasn't in it. I don't think hers was either tbh. Being born in the same country does not mean you will have any chemistry!

One woman I saw that I thought was really hot was dancing and kept kissing her female friend on the lips.

It was making me hot. I had some EC with her but did fuck all about it. Her friend was quite sexy too. They were with two guys but realised later it wasn't their boyfriends (never assume).

There were a lot of opportunities in this bar. There were a lot of good looking guys in there but they didn't seem to have much clue to be honest on how to chase these women down.

I'm quite keen to go back there again and try harder, at least until I get a fair few rejections.

On reflection, some points I noted from last night..

In my head too much - the 'age gap' excuse came up - I then tried to rationalise it which got me even more in my head. I didn't notice I was doing it at the time.

Too much alcohol - Made it easier to approach eventually but reduced my ability to concentrate in convo.

For example I forgot the girls name immediately after she told me. Then I asked again and forgot it again.

Talking constantly without leaving gaps and giving too much detail.

Didn't ask open questions.

Didn't close.

On the positive side tho I got on well with guys I spoke to. Just more relaxed I guess.

I should add that I liked the second woman, who was of Eastern European origin.

I told her she was beautiful, for which she said thank you. I left her a pack of cigarettes and 50 Euros extra.

I'm a human being and so is she after all.

She wouldn't give me her number tho.

Out tonight local. I'm just hanging with mates, relaxing, having a drink and being social.

In the startoff bar I get talking to this older woman. She interviews me...where you from, where you live , what's your name, what you do, etc.

I answer all this and just keep a smiling face. For an older woman she was quite sexy. But she was with someone.

Headed to another bar with mates. At some point I thought fuck it I'm going on a tour of the bar cause I was getting bored sitting at our table.

First good looking babe I see on my travels I stop for a chat with her. It was going real good. After a couple of minutes she says "this is my husband" and directs me to a stocky good looking bloke standing behind me . I had a chat with him, we shake hands and I move on.

After chatting a few young girls at the bar I approach a group of three women at a table and break into that set. They seem surprised. One of them is keen to talk so we get into a convo for 5 mins.

This girl is very sexy and cute. I'm aroused just talking to her. She's starting a new job on Monday and this is her leaving do. I give her advice on her new job. I'm not looking to pull her just being social. I would like to talk to this girl again but for some strange reason I forget to NC. Why am I doing this.

I move on. I get talking to three guys who seem a bit frustrated. I say to them "why don't you just enjoy yourselves" and they agree to do that.

The music is good and I think about finding some girl to dance but it doesn't feel busy enough so I don't. No one is dancing.

Me and mates head to another bar. There I get a bad response from three chicks, one who I was keen on. Not sure why, I think it was my fault being too pushy. I feel the sting of rejection. But a woman standing near me starts talking to me and saying what bitches they are. I get the feeling I want to fuck this woman. But again I don't close. We have a good bitch and I think about kissing her for a moment but don't.

By this time the drinking I've been doing all night is kicking in big time and I'm feeling tired, we go out and have some banter with some girls outside the bar then jump in a taxi to get home.

Out local tonight after returning from my trip abroad. Just to catch up with my mates really. A lot of hot little chicks floating around though. A guy dropped his trousers in the bar, got ejected, then got let back in. The woman he was with was pretty hot too.

With this chest infection I've been carrying, being ill, totally knackered and all the stuff I had to deal with last week it was a bit of a non-starter for me PU wise. I had no energy. But I'll post a summary of what happened last week. It's an interesting story.

last week 6-11 Oct

Realise I'm coming down with illness at the weekend but need to travel abroad. I load up on pills.

I get through Monday ok and go to bed early.

On Tuesday I'm feeling worse and I'm also getting an allergic reaction to the nicotine patches, so I buy cigs. The chemist I go to for medicine sells me a pile of pills and makes me throw the cigs in the bin. I end up buying more cigs later. By the evening I'm going stir crazy so I head to a dive bar I know nearby. It's quite lively and I end up talking to quite a few people. The drink is mixing with the pills and I feel almost stoned.

A DJ starts up at 11 and I end up on the dance floor. In the smoking room I talk to a couple of Australian girls and also a German woman. We have good convos. I notice that after I open them the other guys there start joining in. Ends up like 5-way bi-lingual convo that I can't follow (I see the point now why you need to isolate). I'm not caring anyway by this time. I end up back on the dance floor. I'm enjoying myself and forgetting about being ill.

It's too warm so I remove my jacket. At some point later I realise I've been duped and the jacket is gone with mobiles and plastic on-board.

I go to the police station to report the theft and almost get myself arrested by a rather aggressive cop.

I end up drowning my sorrows in a late night restaurant until 5 talking to the owner and his girlfriend who are still there.

Next day I spend most of the time phoning around to block the plastic and phones.

Friday - local night again.

My mate gave me a lecture tonight about why I shouldn't approach the local women.

His reasoning was that you need to be: a) famous, like a footballer or actor, b) rich or c) very good looking or all of the above.

He's not looking for a woman cause he's too busy.

So with this mind fuck I set out and got blown out on my first approach and got right up in my head. I started to believe him.

Then I got pissed and did nothing very PUA at all. It was a very chode night.

I could see opportunities all around me but felt they just weren't for the likes of me. Oh dear.

It just convinced me I need to branch out more and get a wing.

Don't listen to your friends advice.

Thanks man. The blowout wasn't even so much a blowout. I asked a girl standing next to me at the bar how she was doing and she answered 'good thanks' then I couldn't think of anything more to say. It was just one of those nights.

Not making excuses but I've been ill for two weeks which probably didn't help. My energy is low. I'll be back!

Last night (Friday 25th Oct)

A last minute hastily arranged meet of a few London / Manchester members of the forum: Sugarspin, Me, Stein, D!ce and MarkUK.

In a word EPIC. The night was a great laugh from beginning to end and educational for me as well. I couldn't express it in any detail but we all talked about pickup stuff and just about anything and everything else.

I get to the meetup venue first thinking "if nobody turns up tonight after all this I'll go crazy". But then everyone started arriving and it all goes great. All good guys.

There was a bit of game later in the night at a second bar some of us went to, but I was getting wobbly with booze and tiredness by then. Even so I learned a lot winging Stein and D!ce. It was a completely different experience to my normal nights out locally where I don't have wings. Realising I need to do more going out with wings to learn and have fun. Next time I would watch my drink intake so I could converse better.

After a while I need to get home unfortunately because I don't live in London.

I can't get a taxi for love nor money. There are convoys of them streaming towards me down the strand but none for hire.

I end up in a wrickshaw on the way to St Pancras station. Basically we're on a tricycle taking on the might of London small hours traffic. Actually it was cool..open air just seeing the city from a different angle. Had some good banter with the driver (rider?). I couldn't believe how quick he got me there (they can take shortcuts taxis can't).

I had to wait an hour for a train and went for a walk to pass the time. I passed a burger king and these two young guys and a girl waved at me from inside as I passed by the window. I went in and went over and shook hands and we had a bit of friendly banter. They wanted me to stay and talk but I told them I needed food and had a train to catch. The chick was very hot. That's probably why I went over.

Wolfed the food down on my way back to the station. The walk and food sobered me up a bit.

When I got there a blonde girl appeared. She was on her mobile having what sounded like a spat with someone, her boyfriend I reckon. She was attractive with amazingly long legs so I said hi and was about to offer her a chip, then realised I had just finished them. She half looked at me and said hi back in not too friendly sounding tone. I then added "you've got very long legs". She wandered back inside the station without responding. I caught her at a bad time I think.

A bunch of girls and guys were trying to get taxis but they seemed to be short of cash. These guys had obviously pulled and the taxi fiasco was presenting an early opportunity for LMR from the girls. The girls all seemed to want to go home in a separate taxi and the guys were panicking a bit like "fuck no..no, not part of the plan bitches" (thinking of all the drinks they paid for maybe). I just watched, wondered if I could jump in the girls taxi and go back to their place haha. I went for my train.

Got my train and had a convo with a cool young couple who were travelling to the airport for a holiday night flight to Amsterdam.

Got off train and the guy in front of me was staggering so bad up my road I don't know how the fuck he had made it home. I had started to sober up by then.

A great night had by all.

We'll have more of these nights. Come along if you possibly can it's ace.

P.S. kudos to D!ce for coming to the night and being great company while staying sober as a judge the whole time. I don't think I could have managed that haha.

And thanks to all the guys who came along to make a great night of it. Looking forward to the next one!

Perharps I should have stayed longer! :D

I have Fri and Sat free so if you guys have a London meetup let me know

Will do mate.

Met up with SmileyK and Stein from the forum in central London last night. First time I've met SmileyK...cool guy.

Stein arrived later in a spiderman suit. By this time SmileyK and me were chatting to a couple of girls. They were a good laugh. The girl I ended up talking to most was intelligent and quite intellectual. She sang me a song she said her scots grandad taught her when she was a kid. She was sweet and quite cute. Early in the convo she had revealed that she had been on holiday with her boyfriend and after that they had decided to move in together. I wondered if they were just entertaining us to get a drink bought. I don't think so though I did get them a drink.

We persuaded Stein to put the head part of his suit on. Cool outfit btw Stein...phone pics were taken.

We were standing outside in the busy smoking area which was under a gap between two large umbrellas so the rain was dripping down on us which was a bit distracting. but we ploughed on.

The two girls left quite early so the three of us went inside and had a laugh and chat. It was good fun. We had some serious discussion about some of the bollocks that is written, talked about and supposedly practiced by PUAs and aspiring PUAs. But there was respect given to Tyler & Co.

When I went to the bar to get drinks in there were two young blonde girls in front of me making a lot of noise. I told them to settle down in my sternest voice just to get their attention. One of them, the better looking one, turned around and gave me a smile and stare. So I was thinking we might get talking. Then she started trying to mimic my accent...it was such a bad attempt at a scots accent (more Indian than scots) it wasn't funny just feckin annoying.

Anyway instead of coming straight back at her with a neg of my own I just stood there dumbfounded. This girl wouldn't stop and eventually her friend told her to dial it down a bit as she was obviously embarrassing me and her friend with her immature and unattractive behaviour.

Back with the guys we watched this good looking guy just sarging like mad around any female groups that were left in the bar (it was starting to empty out by this time). He was quite pissed I think and really didn't give a shit, scared a few women away, attracted others, moved onto the next group, spinning around in quite a cool dance move. I think we all had a sneaking admiration for this guy just utterly going for it without a care in the world.

After we headed our separate ways I had my usual adventures getting home. I ended up in a shop doorway with this woman who wanted to go back to my hotel to give me a massage and sex she said in very broken english. I assumed she was a hooker. She wouldn't believe me that I wasn't staying in a hotel and wasn't a tourist. I realised later my phone was gone. Sleight of hand she must have got it out of my coat's breast pocket while she was putting her knee up into my groin and her hands everywhere (including my balls) trying (and succeeding) to get me excited. I realise now this was probably just a ploy to distract me. But I literally had to push her away. If she had the phone you'd think she would have left immediately before I realised it was gone. She even followed me to the wrickshaw I got and tried to get in. I had to physically force her back out. She was a nutter.

Maybe it wasn't her but I don't see any other way the phone could have gone missing. It seems too much of a coincidence. I thought the pocket was buttoned but it probably wasn't. That's two £350 phones stolen within a month! But you learn by mistakes and I need to wise up when out in cities at night on my own, avoid crazy women, and buy a cheap phone or get insurance cover. When I go in the phone shop in a little while the guy is gonna be like "oh no... again?"

I ended up getting a wrickshaw to the station again. But it was slow , wet and horrible journey. Worse cause I got in my head about the missing phone. But on the train I had some good banter with 3 northern girls and a guy from my town. One of the girls kept eyeing me up but then I noticed her wedding ring. They got off the stop before mine. The married one waved and said something to me as she got off but by this time I had my earphones in and didn't hear.

Aside from the cheeky girl / crazy hooker / phone crap I enjoyed last night because I really feel like I'm coming out of my shell more on these nights out. I'm relaxing more and being myself. The worst thing I could right do now I think is be put off by the annoying stuff. When the going gets tough and all that!

Mate thanks for writing the report, detailed and a good read.
I met you the other week, looking forward to getting out at some point again!
Phone thing sucks but I wonder are you fishing in the right pond at the moment?
I have noticed astonishing differences in London in terms of clientele, demographics and attitude/receptiveness.
It may be stating the obvious but switching up the venue/area and avoiding what starts becoming personal away grounds where you never get a point metaphorically speaking(eg tiger tiger!) has marked results and quick.
I remember a guy I met off here 2 years ago raved about ceilidh nights for example that occur in LOndon if you Google.
Whilst I am not advocating we all shuffle off to do the GAy Gordon he was reaping the dividends as being the well dressed, socially together non oddity amongst the lines of girls who were up for dancing and more, he was late 40s I remember too.
Again may be stating the obvious but it's easy to get stuck into a routine of hitting the same haunts when a shake up could accelerate progress.
Just my two penneth and see you soon fella.

Yeah mate, as coincidence, I've been reading Mark Manson's book Models (which I think is good btw) and he covers demographics. I have to admit I've largely ignored this aspect...that social interactions are contextual, like attracts like, etc. I'm making the effort of going out in London because there seems to be so many more possibilities than locally which is the easiest but not the best option for me. But I've just been like "right girls, I'm here now...let the attraction commence!". But demographics can make a huge difference I reckon to results.

I think single people and couples without children, who choose to live in London, tend to be there because there's a lot of choice of places to go out and they like going out. But I've not really put any effort in to researching where what's going on. I'll see what I can find out and will see you soon bud.

Out local tonight (Saturday). Had a good night chatting with my mates and chilling. Like all my local nights I was expecting nothing (but I can never stop myself having hope that it will be party central, and I'll go home with the hottest hottie in the bar...hope springs eternal haha). The main thing of note on the woman front was that I'm noticing now if I'm patient enough women will approach me. I'm becoming more of a familiar sight around the local hangouts. One woman chatted me up for about 20 mins.

She was cute, in a mature way, had very generous lips coated in scarlet lipstick and black hair, low cut top on, cleavage, etc...so that's enough for me. And the conversation we had was ace. The more we chatted the more she turned me on.

The thing that struck me the most was that at first all I could see was these scarlet lips moving and the cool blue eyes. But then I was actually listening to what she was saying. And she took me on a nice journey with her words. We talked about how accents change as you move across the UK. I'm interested to know if there are other women like this about. good looking, mature, intelligent, interesting and who can express themselves confidently. I need to find where they are.

But her man was sitting nearby like a chode and watching and starting to get a bit pissed off at me. I could tell. He came up and was talking to me but he seemed to be trying to impress me and get in my goodbooks (my self development has been aimed at getting me away from acting like that). I recognise this now as being insecurity. But he was telling me he was connected to a dangerous family or something. Was this to scare me off? ooh I was quivering in me boots.

This woman, who was attractive (I wanted to fuck her) wanted me to fuck her, there's no doubt about that. I'm just not ruthless or clever or whatever enough yet to go and actually take it.

Maybe this kind of thing is for the master stage of PUA or maybe I just need to be a bit more aggressive in taking what I want. I'm still too pussy about the consequences and all that. But at the same time I don't ever want to get in a fight over some woman I don't even know. There were some younger guys outside the bar at the end of the night "stagging" and I'm past that stage. It was good entertainment though as a spectator sport. If I did get the attentions of a real hottie then I would have plenty of haters wouldn't I?

This is the danger of trying to pull on your own doorstep (and why I don't try to do it). It's not as bad as the workplace but there's similar issues. You just need to be more careful than in a place where nobody knows you. But I'm just looking to make friends and enjoy myself. That can't be a bad thing. There's always the possibility of hooking up one night when I'm not even trying.

Nice field report, can relate to a lot in that. Especially when I'm talking to a girl and I know she wants me t fuck her but I don't show enough intent.

I remember telling the barmaid she had a sexy accent just as we were leaving the first bar we were in. She shouted after me "what?". Pretty sure she heard me ok cause my mates all laughed and went oooh!. Maybe she just wanted me to say it again. But I scuttled outside. Still it was better than nothing I suppose. A small step in the right direction. You have to pose some kind of threat and not be too nice but not nasty either obviously. I'm starting to have more of a mindset of "I'm not here to be your friend". I just need to show it more in what I say and do.

One thing I'm tending to do now is not smile until after they smile. I also keep the eye contact pretty intense, no blinking. I'm realising simple things like that (micro-behaviours) make a big difference in the impression your giving the girl, especially at the start of an interaction. Unless they've got wet panties for you, you can slip into her 'friend' category very quickly. Minutes I reckon, then it's not impossible but it's very difficult to get out of that. So better to err on the side of aggression. You can always dial it down a bit depending on the reaction. It doesn't seem to work the other way around.

Friday 15 Nov

Night out in London with a few guys from the forum: MarkUK, Sugarspin, SmileyK, Tebbs and Top Hat.

On the way to the first venue Top Hat took off and did a few day game style stops on women that passed us in the street.

We have a drink in a couple of bars then head to a nearby club. We split into twos. Soon we notice MarkUK and SmileyK are sitting with two girls at a table. Me and Sugarspin move around quite a bit but find it hard to get off the starting blocks. Lost sight of where the other two went but I bumped into them later on.

We get chatting to a couple of girls. One of them is married. The other one seems up for talking and she's touching my arm a lot. But for some reason it fizzles out. The two of them go to the bathroom. I head off looking for Sugarspin.

I go outside for a cigarette and talk to a couple of girls out there. A guy that was there negged one of the girls and she was really offended (I don't think he meant it to be a neg) and I think she assumed we were together so her and her mate moved away from me. It had been going well too. The guy apologised to her then to me. I told him not to worry about it.

Back inside now I'm feeling more in the zone and just talk to any girls that I pass. If they're not responsive I move on quickly to the next one. I find my wing again and we have a chat about stuff then chat to some girls at the bar. I become a bit outcome attached and have decided I'm going to NC the one I'm talking to. She says no but offers me her email addy instead.

We meet up with some of the other guys who are still there and head off home. I get on the tube going in the wrong direction. When I get off to go back the way I came the line is closing for engineering work so I get a cab to the rail station.

I've missed the train and a long wait ahead so I find a bar nearby that's still open. There's some kind of party going on in here, so I just merge into the goings on. Talk to quite a few girls but I'm getting too drunk to hold a decent convo.

Eventually I head back to the station and end up sharing a cab with a few guys who are going in my direction.

Thoughts on the night:

A good night. It was good being in a bunch of like minded guys. Maybe that pressure made me nervy at the start and I waited too long to do the first approach, even though I was getting some IoI's. But eventually I did some approaches, talked to quite a few girls and finally closed one (a small triumph for me!). I should have got the first girls number when I could see it was starting to fizzle out then moved on. But I'm getting some reference experiences now to work with. Needing a lot more though.