for arranging your next "date" - such as a Day 3 - tell her you are cooking for her.

find out in advance if she is vegetarian or allergic to certain foods

tell her to meet at your place, or if your place is hard to find and a bit of a trek, chance to get lost, arrange to meet at a train station or pub in your local area

back to your place for dinner and possibly more

cooking = logistics: all sorted... the rest is up to you + her

This is exactly what I have in mind... It's just getting them out for a Day 3!!

edit: To add, I am now considering this option a lot more than I might have previously, maybe I shall try and push this type of thing for a Day 2, or maybe even a Day 1. I will obviously have to use some judgement here, but getting them isolated in a non-public place is essential.

Fri 19th Oct

My fellow day gamer text me again so I head out to meet him. This time it’s just him and myself. We have a nice chat about where we are up to with some of the girls with dates etc. and then I decide to move the conversation onto general shit like work and life. You don’t really want to be talking about game the entire time; one needs a clear head for this.

Like Wednesday, we walked along and upon spotting a girl we liked the look of, went over to chat to them. After a couple of pretty poor conversations with the first couple of girls I felt like it wasn’t going to be a good day. However I found as the day wore on, the more I did, the more I chatted to my day game buddy, the more I loosened up. I was hitting that nice spot in my head again where things just flowed. I wasn’t thinking any more, just walking over and talking. Everything else would take care of itself if I just took the right course of action. I was ‘in state’ once more.

Whereas I might have gone home after a 3 or 4 approaches or a couple of numbers before, I just carried on, partly willed on by my wingman. We inspired one another to plough on and not give up so easily. Giving up early would have been like discarding all the hard work we had done in warming up.

So in the end I clocked up 3 numbers and 2 Facebooks. Both Facebook interactions are going great thus far, and I'm starting to utilise this communication tool at long last.

One thing I now like about doing this with another person/people is you are already getting into a chatty frame of mind. It helps if you get on though, and I like this guy. Looking forward to more of the same.

Enjoying reading your field reports man - definitely seeing an evolution!

About a month ago I was evolving very fast, and things that happened 2 weeks ago seemed like 2 months ago! I was dedicating a lot of time to it all. However I took my foot off the gas a bit in the last 2/3 weeks as I was getting a bit bogged down with it all. Since then I casually worked on my text game, and this has improved dramatically, i.e. my texts used to be boring and I was unable to flirt before, now I can.

I feel I have recently been lazy with organising any meet ups with the birds and resorted to just texting them suggesting stuff. This has led to typical excuses after giving me the impression that they were actually available/interested. Tonight I will be ringing a few of the girls to see if I can screen those interested and those who are not.

Thurs 25th Oct

I heard that there was an art preview at a gallery in the Northern Q so I headed into town. I went early and decided to have a wander around the centre.

As soon as get off the tram a Japanese bird who'd I'd been on 2 dates with appeared. We clocked each other and she was all smiles. I wasn't. I was not happy as she'd been giving me shreds of hope about our 3rd date then withdrawing it. The worst bit though is she takes a fucking age to reply to texts, this is just poor manners in my books. I didn't bother raising this, but she had the cheek to say that she 'wasn't ignoring me'. I'm think I'm through trying with this one. Some girls really just revel off the attention.

This riled me up quite a bit so I had to sort my head out. I then spot a chick in the new 'bigger and better' Poundland. She was Japanese. We got on like a house on fire and chat about architecture. Bitch claimed she didn't have her phone in her rucksack so she went old skool and wrote my number down...

I then spot another Asian chick. This one was from Rochdale... there was something about the accent that just didn't do it for me. I ended up telling her I'd lost my job and slated her for working for a bank. Needless to say this bombed! I blame the accent.

I then headed to the exhibition at the gallery. There I chatted to the cute girl on the free bar for a bit and then later to some art teacher. Then later I spot a chick with some cool stocking gloves. I go over to tell her and she's loving it. Turns out she is the art gallery curator. Nice. We chat for a quite a while and she gets torn away by others hobnobbing with her. I mull over getting her number, but as I depart she tells me there's another exhibition in 2 weeks and I should come. I'll carry our interaction there then.

One thing that I'm enjoying now is talking to chicks about their clothes or accessories (this is genuine admiration and attraction on my part). It almost always turns out that they're into art or something creative. One thing I also tried today and think is prob not the best idea is banging on about loosing my job. I will just pretend I still work in the same amazing job.

edit: just remembered. At the gallery some pretty cute girl from London started chatting to me and ended up hinting for me to get her number, as she had just moved to the area, and she found it good to meet new people. I may as well oblige. The best bit about this could be the logistics as she doesn't live far from my part of town, and we've agreed I'll show her the cool bars.

you have some balls

not criticising what your doing, but I cringe at the thought of approaching random girls with the attention of hitting on them, Maybe its just not my thing

hats of to you for approaching that many women, especially the Asian ones where the language barrier might be an issue

keep us all updated

You have balls of steel - which daygame takes lots of.

I had only followed the first 3 pages of this until now, i have just read it all from start to finish, & i noticed this on page 3:

I have been pussying out literally every day since then, & get all inside my head immediately, ruining it before i even give it a chance.

I did get a few chicks numbers, one was on the bus a couple of weeks ago, which if i had been staying on the bus back to belfast, may have went further, but she kinda flaked off saying she had a bf etc. But the numbers arent consistent, & i have yet to go direct & tell a chick she is beautiful, even if its only to get rid of AA, which is the main sticking point here.

Hotties are passing me by all the time, & i just let them. I talk myself out of going after pussy, by being a pussy.

Even my mate told me the other day while we were having a pint, that i need to grow a set of balls, he was half joking, but i took it to heart, & want to change that. Today.

Im in the same mindset as you

I make up excused not to do it

couple of times I have manned up and failed

failing doesn't matter but the consistency to do it again is needed for me

Did it :clapclap:

has anything came from all these numbers you have gotten ? would be nice to hear a follow up, I see you are making allot of progress

Follow up game/date update

Since starting the day game thread I have managed to accumulate a selection of numbers on which to work at any one time and this is has been invaluable in my development over the past couple of months.

When I started this I would text the girls a few times with pretty average stuff and then ring them to arrange a date. My text game was boring and got me nowhere in my bid to plant the idea of anything more than comfort with the girl.

In the last few weeks this has changed and some of the girls have now brought a flirty side out of me. I have built on this so much so that I can initiate some good flirtatious banter, something I was at a loss with before. In line with this development I have now set about arranging all my dates via text.

There are 3 girls I am pretty much looking to get out this week, one of whom I’d seen twice before, one I'd seen last week and another for a first date. The later girl I saw today:

This girl I met upon approaching a two set over two weeks ago. We text each other a few times and this was all pretty positive. She asked questions about me so interest on her part was looking strong. She then suddenly stopped responding. I text a couple of times and got nothing. I then decided a week later to try one last roll of the dice and text her asking her out. I then get a text from a random number telling me her sim is broken. We reinitiate contact on Facebook, chat about random stuff then arrange the date.

I take her for a pot of tea in the Northern Quarter, all very civilised and nothing to report beyond we chatted and had a great cuppa (I was high as a kite though after 2 pots of the stuff). I was very much aware of screening her interest in me as I’d been wasting so much time on lost causes. I had been trying to escalate with girls often assuming me being ‘alpha’ would be enough to win them over.

Now I have toned things down and am playing a slower game. The girls I am dealing with are fairly reserved socially, so rushing any physical contact can be suicidal. I have had girls very attracted me running scared because of me running a dumb ass kino routine. Now I am a little more laid back, but am also trying to develop things like my eye contact and the tone of the conversation to let them know I'm not just looking to be friends.

So it was a good date, she looked very comfortable with the physical contact I did initiate and I just generally got a good vibe that she was into me. This looks worth pursuing.

It’s a slow game I know, but at the moment I'm trying different things.

Don't you find texts a bit of a pain to arrange dates? Why not text 'i'll call you soon to meet up' or something and then call a few days later.

You weren't being alpha then, you were just acting that way. Which I can imagine would be creepy as hell.

Why not just get used to touching people? No routines, not forced and not in a Saville kind of way. Touching is good, but only when you're doing it without thinking about it. Not a big clumsy hand on the knee during an awkward silence...

I've done what you say and agree, but now I'm currently challenging myself with the texting side of things.

Thinking about, I was not so much running kino routines. I was rushing the physical stuff, going in way too heavy and trying to make it too intimate too soon. This I assumed to be 'alpha', but instead it was just creepy and ill timed, and as a result freaked them out.

Interesting 'memoirs' of your personal development, Nova. Sounds to me that you're adept enough in interacting with women; you just need that bit of luck to meet women who you can really click with so that the fun stuff can follow on naturally.....

Follow up game/date update: Halloween clubbing

Last night I arranged to go out with a girl I met a couple of weeks ago. When we met on the street we had an awesome chat which was very flirty. When I suggested we go for a drink sometime she said her boyfriend might not like it. I normally might have bailed at this point, but there was a spark here, so we exchanged numbers.

Anyway, we met up last Wed for a visit to the art gallery and a drink, nothing major to report here. Since then we text each other and the tone turned very flirty. If this boyfriend is real, she is definitely bored.

So we ended up arranging for me to come out with her and her girl mates last night for a Halloween party at Tiger Tiger. When I asked her if they were all dressing up she told me they were 'all dressing up sexy'. I thought I should oblige and got kitted out in my blazer and shoes, but with a slight rock edge. I turn up and man she was looking fucking hot. So we chat, have some drinks, it's all going well. I'm touching her arm when we chat, all good, this then develops more as we dance with her friends, touching her back and holding it there a little longer each time. She likes all this. No creepy kino from me tonight!

We all had a blast dancing for a couple of hours. I wasn't trying to hit on her or her mates, just having a fucking blast dancing and being stupid. There was a moment where it was just me and her together in a quieter part of the club. I had my arm round her waist as we leaned agaist the wall. We chatted in very intimate proximity to one another and I considered kissing her... but didn't. I wasn't sure if she'd be freaked out, i.e. is the boyfriend real, and were her mates possibly looking, or more generally would she not like the general public seeing.

Regardless, she likes me and I like her. Hopefully this wasn't my only chance to move things forward...

Oh and a point to note. When we said our goodbyes she told me she loved my shoes. I'd always heard this, now I'm convinced!

This is beginning to happen. I have 4 or 5 potential girls who I feel I really click with. When with these girls I feel I don't have to think much... things are just happening now more naturally.

Man, in my eyes you CLEARLY missed a genuine opportunity here. Where was mister boyfriend last night while his chick got all dolled up & was out having fun with her friends, & you?

You should have went for it. I definitely would have.

Dan is actually right. Hope that indecisiveness doesn't cost you man. But if it has (becuase you know what women can be like - unforgiving), it's cool, just learn never to make that mistake again.

My ovethinking makes Hetext forum look sensible!

OK. So. I think I have confused two things here. When I first got back on this dating tip I was trying for the kiss on all of them. However because I messed up a couple of them with ill judged kino I have associated me going for the kiss as the issue. This has led me to stop taking action for the kiss. Last night caught me out as I was not expecting the opportunity to happen. In future I will be ready, and I will be taking action. There is no worse feeling than the feeling of regret.

Follow up game/date update: Back to mine

This morning I really was feeling very pissed off about missing the opportunity last night. Anyway, there was a bird who'd said she may be up for coming to check out the charity shops with me in my neighborhood after me selling them as 'the best in the world' . We'd been on a couple of dates ages ago. I tried to kiss this one on the first date but she wasn't having it, and the second I reeled it all in and didn't take any action.

So I text her to arrange and head out to collect her. I'm still feeling very annoyed, the more I think about the potential kiss I could have had the night before the worse I felt. Anyway, I met up with her and our usual banter ensued and I started to focus on the job in hand.

We took the tram to my part of town and went round the shops trying on clothes and joking around. So far so good. We go for a drink, plenty of good innocent physical contact with hands and her touching my curly hair.

We then grab Fish & Chips at an amazing chippy as I'd told her it was the best in Manchester, and head to my house. We go to my room to eat and watch a film. I then get the urge to start initiating stuff (I will not have that heavy feeling of regret this time round!). My arm's around her and then I stroke her hair, she's good with all this. Then pretty much as I'm going for the kiss she starts going on about how she's going back to China in 2 months and would not want to start anything with me as it would be as a relationship and not just fun.

After that we chatted, I tried to warm her up again for a kiss several more times, but she isn't having any of it. This one's not a goer. Shame, as she clearly likes me.

When comparing the feeling of regretting not taking action to, at least having tried. I know which I prefer!

this response will be in the stlye of Phil/ as he may be too busy to reply

" YOU SHOULD OF JUST KISSED HER, TOLD HER YOUR GOING TO FUCK HER

THEN FUCK HER

END OF "

I am also satisfied by the above response.

Or she could of thought you come across rapey

personally.. I think she might of found it a little scary but over all exciting as I doubt many if any guys have done that before when she has give the guys obstacles

Aye, it was all good really. She would have enjoyed it and I did up to a point (obviously I wanted more!). If she changes her mind then she can get in touch. I've thrown it out there.


Last night I text this girl and the usual flirtatious banter continued between us. I am forgiven for not taking action it seems. The next time I see her I intend to get her round mine.

Nova im curious to know how much you have progressed since the beginning of this little venture. Furthermore, id like to see how much further you would progress watching others, sometimes watching people makes u see stupid stuff u do from outside.

u should definitely organise a few meets to watch other guys.

I've had dozens of missed opportunities throughout my lifetime. There were easily over 20 maybe even 30 guaranteed lays that i either failed to spot, failed to take action, didn't see the signals until later in hindsight, was too fucked up on drugs to realise it was on a plate for me, or any one of a ton of other reasons.

The number of girls i've fucked would be at least a third higher if i hadn't missed out through my own stupidity. Some of the girls i went on to fuck eventually at some stage, but most of them, & the possibilities of sex with them, vanished.

Compare your missed opportunity of at least a kiss to my two dozen thrown away lays, better?

Since starting this... it now seems opportunities are arising more readily as a result of my daytime socialising. However I think I have missed the follow up part of things, and assumed this would just flow. Something I am now starting to share on here is my experiences with the girls after getting their numbers. Hopefully I can now get more of a handle on this part of my life as a result.


I'm afraid my missed opportunity the other evening harks back to the dark days way before I met my last girlfriend, when I passed countless missed opportunities. It is a rather painful reminder of the consequences of not taking right action.

The wedding gift & the wedding.

I went to select a wedding gift on Fri evening in Debenhams. There was a pretty cute Chinese girl in there, we're kind of walking around near each other and I decide to tell her her hair's cool. She enjoys this and we have a cool chat. This girl is from Manchester, but studying in Oxford. We chat about that and she shows me some videos on her phone of some pretty cool street performers. I then tell her if I go to Oxford I'll let her know, so we exchange numbers.

The next day is the wedding. It's absolute carnage. I was boozing from 11am til midnight. At the dinner table there was a nice English girl. There is some flirtatious banter between us across the table, and some suggestive eye contact. Later on we're chatting again and she wants my number. I would have tried to move things forward with her but a) my ex-girlfriend was also at the wedding, and b) what looked like her boyfriend was there. I'll give her a shout this week, as she claimed she had nobody to go out with drinking. I can oblige I'm sure.

Follow up game/date update: Back to mine

I managed to get the Chinese girl who I didn't kiss at the club on Halloween to come out with me. I picked her up from town and we got the tram back to my neck of the woods. We went to a bar had a chat I'm telling her how sexy she looked, she likes this, then she's quizzing me about past girlfriends and I then ask her about her boyfriend and she goes quiet. I then change the subject.

We left and went to some charity shops, then onto another bar. We sat on a sofa and she seemed very into me touching her hands and snuggled up against my arm which was around her. All seemed to be warming up very nicely. We then grab a takeaway and head back to my bedroom.

We eat and chat about politics and other random shit. The eye contact is heavy and prolonged and I need little invitation to swoop in for the kiss. But... she isn't having it. She says she "can't". I am fairly cool about it, but then decide to challenge her about it all, in particular the text messages. She acted all surprised. I guess she isn't going to admit to flirting with me, but she had been. She then claims that she isn't into being 'sexy' and I had her wrong. Yet, she lapped it up several times when I mentioned it.

She still hasn't used the boyfriend as a reason not to kiss me, so I ask about him. She starts moaning about him saying she hates him now and he's her first love but she thinks he isn't into her any more. Oh dear.

Obviously I should never have expected much from this one, but bloody hell she's been the most flirtatious and suggestive out the lot. Either she saw something in me, or she just loved the attention. I suppose it's best to assume the later or else I'll get strung along further.


Follow up game/date update: First date with FB girl

I managed to get a Chinese girl's Facebook after a one minute interaction a couple of weeks ago. Since then we chatted on FB and it went well. I got her number, and then the other night I suggested that I take her out. Today we did just that. I had been pushing the frame that I think she's sexy through my texts and she liked this. We met up, went to a bar, and I pushed this sexual desire frame more dropping stuff into the conversation about how hot she looked and how she had amazing legs, etc.

This was well received and we went onto another bar. The converstion was good, as was the eye contact. Any kino I initiated was light and remained so as she wasn't overly receptive at times. Thus, I decided against making any bold moves as this one would probably have freaked out if I'd tried anything more.

Anyway, we both had fun, and I will continue to push the idea that I want to fuck her and see how it goes. This is another slow burner... unfortunately.

Good stuff man. Just a thought - I would make sure that you don't only compliment them on their looks (e.g. saying they look sexy etc.) Make sure you compliment them on their personality as well (but only if you mean it), if you're not doing it already that is.

What might be happening is that you're coming across a bit like a super-slick player (the question about your previous gf's?). Just a thought. But it doesn't sound like you're doing too much wrong, just the external factors which you have no control over messing up your chances.

This is something I thought about too after seeing her. I did compliment her on a few things related to her personality, and that was one of the ways in which I wooed her to come out, i.e. her warm character. In me experimenting with these direct sexually orientated thoughts there is perhaps a danger I make them feel like a piece of meat. I need to strike a balance with it all.


I believe so. The opportunities are developing more readily now, and this in turn is giving me a perspective on how I should behave when back at my house, or when I try to kiss the girl. As frustrating as some of these situations have been, they have all taught me something new.

Since this date this girl has been messaging me a lot more than before. I have maintained my flirtatious sexual frame and she seems to like this. She messages me asking me what I'm up to, told me that another guy tried to get her number in the supermarket, and several times now has asked me if I have met other girls (in a positive way). She seems to be wanting to help me out in finding a girl.

What type of tactical motive do you think she has then? Do you think she is testing me to see if I genuinely like her or something?


What do you think you would have said?

Ok. I am seeing this girl tonight now. She is coming to an art event with me. If she wants to continue resisting my advances then she can be my wing-woman.

Whilst setting up the meet up, we just had a rather amusing voice message exchange on the WeChat app.

Her: how much is the exhibition?
Me: Free
Her: I like free things
Me: So do I
Her: I know you do. You like free sex (a reference to me calling her sexy)

Follow up game/date update: The art gallery & bar

This morning I get some voice messages from her on the WeChat app asking how I am and what I'm up to. I tell her I'm off to an art event this evening and to come join me. We walked towards the art gallery and after about 3 mins of chat she said she was going on a trip to London next week, and told me she was wondering if she should stay at her girl friend’s house or guy friend’s. Then she said that something had ‘happened’ in the past with the guy. I asked her what, but she wouldn’t say. In line with her telling me about guys hitting on her in Aldi and on the bus, it seems she might have been trying to make me jealous again.

Anyway, we went to the gallery and watched an artist’s talk. This was interesting enough, and their was a bit of fun kino between us at times slapping and punching each other. Then we left the gallery and I took her to a new bar. There she launched into various converstions about relationships and my views on them. She said she was writing a blog about it all. She then asked me how much I would invest in a girl in getting her, and this turned into a fun comparison of a girl's value in stock market terms.

She then started talking about what she saw as her trouble with meeting guys, and how they were never at the right time and in the right place. To me it started to seem like she was talking about me. She asked me if I was looking for a relationship, but I told her that I don’t just make a conscious decision about if I’m in one or not, and I think they develop naturally. We then start talking about girl’s knickers design and my views on that, then about girl’s boobs sizes. That bit was pretty damn cool.

As we chatted the kino was strong, facing each other, hands on her legs, back, etc, and good eye contact. Probably should have tried to kiss her in the bar... So we walked towards her house, said bye, again she wouldn’t let me kiss her. Kissed her on both cheeks this time, and then she told me I should shave.

It sounds to me like she just enjoys flirting with you and teasing you. Or she expects you to put in a hell of a lot of work to get her.

She is playing games with you.

You should consider your other options at this point. Keep a variety of options.

Try to envision how things will progress from her not letting you kiss her, to you banging her from behind.. I bet you can't visualise it.. because the signals aren't there..

Tell her you have a date with another girl and gauge her reaction... however don't take it at face value, because after all, she is female.

As she seems so interested in me meeting other girls perhaps I should get it out in the open and tell her I am.

I get the feeling I'm going to have to play more of a 'game' myself with some of these girls. I am being too straight forward and letting them think they can have everything.

Don't need to play any games, just don't give everything away at once.
Cat string theory

I think I have been giving them too much validation in a bid to be more direct and maintain a sexual frame (for fear of falling into the friends zone). I need to balance this out a bit more and leave room for guesswork on their part.

Two of my past girlfriends were oriental, and since then I have developed a bit of an unhealthy fetish. I had found them fairly easy to get into bed. Now I am struggling where I thought it would be easy. This in turn makes me try too hard, and they either lap up the attention giving nothing in return, or get scared off. I have allowed this to take over my life to a large degree in my desperate bid to lay them. I am not only driving you lot crazy but obviously myself. I need to step back and stop trying so hard... I said this a few weeks ago, but have fallen back into that fatal trap.

I have interest from an English girl i met from an art gallery a couple of weeks ago. I should probably meet up with her. Perhaps it will restore a level of sanity to all of this.

When she asked where should she of stayed, you should of said " Stay at the guys, you will have a smashing good time " with a big smile on your face :)

I cant beleive she wouldnt net you kiss her, She is playing silly little girl mind games to amuse her self using you.

Like others have said, next time your talking and she asks to meet up just say sorry ive got a date, If she reacts to it tell her " well you didnt want to kiss me so I thought you wanted to be friends :) :) "

The big problem is, she is the dominant entity in this " relationship " she decided not to kiss you, it should be the other way round. thats the mindset you need to have

She feels like she is in the position of control . whther this mindset can change I dont know, but if not you just need to leave this one dude