Ok, so my first serious post. Feel free to say im wrong.
Well reading through these sites, you see alot of guys asking for/telling us openers to use. Now, this is all well and good, its great if your starting out and need some confidence or backup, im not saying their useless, but they’re ever so slightly predictable.
See the way im seeing it, is this isnt a small thing anymore. Lots of people are discovering this method of getting girls, and as neil strauss said, the mentors/gurus are cloning themselves, because they teach people to use premade openers.
Now im sure many of you will know what im talking about, and will have an opinion, but heres the way i see it. You cant use other peoples openers, because if everyone did that, it would become the norm, just like the norm of opening with a compliment. If we all open with negs, then girls will respond better to compliments because its something different.
What i propose, is that you dont have a whole compendium of premade openers, you dont walk into a club and have them premade. I say, we walk into the club, and we make them when we get in.
For example, if a club is upstairs, you can open with ‘how did you get up here in those shoes? I nearly broke my neck in sensible ones’ or if you walk in and the smoke machines are too heavy say something like ‘its a good job they turn this smoke right up, else i might have thought twice about coming over’
Im not saying use those, they arent the greatest. But by opening with something directly related to the club/the target, they will talk more freely than the old ‘sister has david bowie on her wall’ (im not saying this doesnt work, but i’ve noticed its more suited for the street)
Now this is probably nothing new to all of you, and i dont want to be the new guy, barging in, telling you what to do.
Feel free to put me in my place, we’re all here to learn

I love pre-made openers, I'm not having some new guy barge in here and tell me what to do!................Just kidding!

Most people would agree that canned openers are good for those that need them and struggle to know what to say to start a conversation. When you feel comfortable without them, great!

obviously, i couldnt agree more i dont know if they do encourage it, having not been to the seminars, but i do get a distinct idea that people just do what the pua's tell them when theyre learning

I love premade openers, they're great to fall back on if you've got nothing else and sometimes I do it just to amuse myself. However I would have to agree that spontaneity is more appealing because you don't run the risk of sounding like you've rehearsed it.

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I think canned material is essential for the average newcomer. It not only works, but gives you confidence. I don't see how Mr Joe Average can get that confidence while struggling with stuff that doesn't work for him.

I see a lot of opposition to canned material on here in favour of natural game, but I believe that most people will fail at natural game until they have worked the game successfully for a while. It takes a lot of game to do it naturally, - skill, confdence, knowledge, calibration and congruence. How can you achieve this if you are always failling because someone told you to go natural?

Start with basics and work up. Like most achievemets in this life, there is no shortcut, and if there was, KK would never have got out.

So I think canned for newbies and then migrate to natural if you think it still suits you _AND_ if you really want to.

It's true situational openers start conversations too. Canned openers are boring and don't push your boundaries, an essential part of learning.

I always find a normal hello, how are you, how was your night does the trick in most situations

as mystery says, thats what girls get all the time, so they block you out quicker. i personally think it can work in some situations, but the higher grade girls dont respond.

All depends on the situation - sometimes you don't need it, but if I'm stuck for something to say I'll fall back on canned. Then quickly move on to something else

I long for the day when I never again use a canned opener.

That day may not be far away.