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Blanca · 12-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RLAJay

In terms of food taste, it's not subjective at all.

I disagree - I, for instance, can't stand Marmite (a bitter substance) but many people love it. Am I right? Are they? Who knows - it's an opinion and therefore subjective.

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Originally Posted by RLAJay

Taste has a factual spectrum made up of bitter, sweet, salty, sour and umami. These 5 things combine to create all tastes.

Quite right.

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Originally Posted by RLAJay

The subjectivity of taste comes from two things, those with high concentrations of tastebuds have been found to have a wider degree of foods that they like

I question this - do you have any evidence?

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Originally Posted by RLAJay

on top of this the body also adjusts perceptions of tastes based on what it craves, receptors for different types of tastes increase and decrease based on what the body desires.

I very strongly question this, except, perhaps, in the case of salt - someone with increased blood osmolarity (ie fewer salts in the blood) may cause a decrease in expression of Sodium channels in the lingual epithelium to decrease the body's sensitivity of it, thus increasing the amount the tongue needs to be exposed to to sense the salt. However, this only occurs during times of very low salt concentrations, not as an everyday thing.

Just talking about food tastes, I consider it to be almost entirely subjective. I know two people who will only eat shit food. They hate vegetables, fruits, most natural meat, and instead opt for turkey dinosaurs, chips and sweets. I think it is no coincidence that both these lads, when they were growing up, were allowed to get away with not eating their veg simply for a quiet life. They never learned to just get on with it, man up and eat what was good for them.

As for your problem, OP, I don't see any way around it apart from to man up and eat things that are good for you. Let's be honest, nobody likes broccoli, but you have to learn to get on with it and eat it. The key is getting to the point where you don't notice the slightly unpleasant flavours.

If you can't do this, I'd pop in to the doctors. Not that I want to start slapping labels on people, but you might be suffering from something similar to other people and there's always the chance they'll help you. But try growing a pair and choking it down first.

Phil · 12-04-2011, 02:42 PM

its not location, its socially governed

if a goth lives next door to a oxford student! likes will differ yet location is the same.

PostScript · 12-04-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RLAJay

Why would this be depressing though. What would you prefer "you" or the "self" be? Something spiritually unique? The soul?

Well yes, something along those lines. Some call it "awareness". We can't just be stimulus response units and bundles of conditioned behaviours, at least intuitively it seems wrong to me. If you zoom out and take a global view of that idea, it makes the human race seem like a mockery, like rats in a maze. Maybe it's all the Disney-esque drivel we're fed when young making us think we're all unique and special. I do have some alignment with your position though, in terms of it implies great fluidity of adaptation, and from my spiritual experience I have experienced not identifying with behaviour...but, there's something off about the whole thing. It's too easy, to mechanical, it's missing something somehow.

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legend · 12-04-2011, 05:24 PM

As much as I dislike the taste of something but if it is good for me, then I will just have to learn to like it. And eventually, I know I will like it. But that is just me...!

chops147 · 12-04-2011, 06:55 PM

the taste buds account for a very small spectrum of taste. most flavours come from smell try eating something near a strong smell and the flavour will change.

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colour blinds the eye
sounds deafen the ear
taste dulls the pallet

RLAJay · 12-04-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanca

I disagree - I, for instance, can't stand Marmite (a bitter substance) but many people love it. Am I right? Are they? Who knows - it's an opinion and therefore subjective.

Quite right.

I question this - do you have any evidence?

I very strongly question this, except, perhaps, in the case of salt - someone with increased blood osmolarity (ie fewer salts in the blood) may cause a decrease in expression of Sodium channels in the lingual epithelium to decrease the body's sensitivity of it, thus increasing the amount the tongue needs to be exposed to to sense the salt. However, this only occurs during times of very low salt concentrations, not as an everyday thing.

Just talking about food tastes, I consider it to be almost entirely subjective. I know two people who will only eat shit food. They hate vegetables, fruits, most natural meat, and instead opt for turkey dinosaurs, chips and sweets. I think it is no coincidence that both these lads, when they were growing up, were allowed to get away with not eating their veg simply for a quiet life. They never learned to just get on with it, man up and eat what was good for them.

As for your problem, OP, I don't see any way around it apart from to man up and eat things that are good for you. Let's be honest, nobody likes broccoli, but you have to learn to get on with it and eat it. The key is getting to the point where you don't notice the slightly unpleasant flavours.

If you can't do this, I'd pop in to the doctors. Not that I want to start slapping labels on people, but you might be suffering from something similar to other people and there's always the chance they'll help you. But try growing a pair and choking it down first.

Did a very fast google on this as I'm in a bit of a rush right now. Brief article on just one study from a quick googling, don't have time to really dig into it and find the better sources I read about earlier I'm afraid, I can take a better look later though.

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