Advice please

[noxx]

Sorry, put this in the wrong place, thought I started a new thread hmmm.. How do I move it? I found the new thread, how do I delete this uhm ?

So I number closed 2 girls last Friday. One a 10 to me (definitely the hottest I have ever gotten the number from) and the other a 6.5. I waited the 3 days I think you should wait. Sent them both messages, but neither replied

The 6.5 I just thought would be a good screw, she was sexy and looked naughty, but I can live without her. The other, the 10, I wanted so badly to at least get to go out with me. Here is the story...

So I was outside smoking with a friend (no idea about the game), we were laughing and she approached us. She asked me for a smoke. I told her it would be five pounds and played with her a bit, she took the bait. She looked like I caught her interest, I kept negging her and we kept joking, she was laughing. She could have gone back to the people she was with (her cousin apparently, never looked to see the sex), but she stuck around and smoked with us. My friend left. The coversation was good (nothing scripted and I kept teasing but it eventually fell into the usual "what do you do blah blah blah") Turns out she was from Norwitch, and we were at a club in London.

When we were done with our smokes we kept talking for about another 10 minutes, she didn't look like she wanted to leave. I was keen on another drink so I said "Look, I am gonna take a chance here and ask for your number (AFC I know). She said she didn't know her number, my heart dropped a bit and then I began to say, "that is the worst bullet I have ever" and she said hold on. She walked to the table and grabbed her phone, I told her to call me and she did. I was so chuffed!!!

After the 3 days I sent the following:

Hey there smoker
You owe me one
How awesome is it that it is Monday?!!!
That means that it is almost Friday again

She never replied.

The next afternoon I sent:

Not a Monday person I gather lol! Listen, I am going to give you a call this evening, want to chat to you about something.
Oh and btw this is noxx (used my real name), the charming guy you met at Jewel on Friday night.

I then tried to call at around 20:30 on the Tuesday and there was no answer, I didn't leave a message. So I sent her some of what I had scripted to say to her:

Hey Smokey. So I just tried to call as I am sure you will see. You owe me a fiver as per the agreement So wanted to say the next time you are in town we are gonna party, you have good wing woman potential I think (only time will tell though, I have been wrong before (think this might have made her think of me as a player), let's hope I am right about you))))) We will find you someone in the process too (I read something similar to this somewhere, well, playing the game of saying you going to find her a partner when you first meet her but I thought I would take the chance)

She has not replied, even though I know they have both seen the messages as I contacted them on WhatsApp (not sure what you guys think about this? You can obviously see if people have sen the messages and when they were last online...)

That was Tuesday, still no response, I can take it on the chin, learn from it and move on but I would love to know if anyone thinks I can bring this back?

If not, do you think I should send one last message asking her to be brutally honest and tell me where I went wrong?

Thanks in advance for the advice guys. Please remember this is my first post and I am a newbie so be gentle lol!

Cheers!

[Uber]

Wow, where to start? First of all, we've all done it - fucked up and looked a bit desperate...it's tough when you're keen on someone which you obviously were. First, you need to try to look at things objectively. Ok, great she gave you her number - let's take her with good faith with that...but she never replied to the first text which in my opinion should have been much briefer and straightforward and also should have been sent sooner. In light of the first text not being responded to you should have left it at that, or at worst sent one more - she didn't respond to that yet you persisted in calling which surprise surprise she didn't pick up and then you sent yet another text. Are you starting to look at this objectively yet? I appreciate you wanted to verbally speak to her to sell yourself to her/attempt to seduce her however the reality of lack of responses and - assuming she's under 35 - the fact that girls prefer texting initially rather than speaking should have told you that making an 'appointment' to speak was not a good option. If in meeting her you arguably hooked her, I'm afraid this fish got away from the hook - it happens. I hope I haven't been too harsh on you!

[noxx]

Dude, I almost pissed my pants when I read your reply!!!

I thought as much but was hoping, in some miraculous way I could pull her back. In the future I will send one (that night?) just to say nice meeting you...

Advice on the first text please?!

Dude, you have relly made me laugh! So do you think I should be straight and ask for and honest breakdown from her?

[Jynx-Manchester]

Your first text should say what ever you want and more importantly WHENEVER you want! you should never put a timescale on texting a girl after meeting! the one rule i live by is text a girl when i feel like texting her. that could be 10 minutes after meeting her it could be 2 weeks! i have never had a structured text to send a girl because you meet every girl in completely different situations.

Be yourself! Text what and when you want. if there is no response the initial face to face interaction wasnt strong enough and you didnt make a strong enough connection. if you made a good connection with her and you were both feeling it she would text you back no matter what you put!

[noxx]

"if there is no response the initial face to face interaction wasnt strong enough and you didnt make a strong enough connection"

That's it, I have been spending so much time thinking about what to text, but that makes complete sense, unless I text something completely pathetic I doubt it will change things. I have obviously not been making a strong enough first impression, and thats what I need to work on, cheers!

[D!ce]

Welcome to the forum mate, you sound like you've already got something to work with, but as its been mentioned you came across too strong, I wouldn't necessarily say its AFC to come as forward as you did in asking for her number but it was to come across as desperate.

Send a brief text soon after to keep the lines of communication going, if you don't get a reply then just leave it at that, be happy that you had the confidence to get the number of somebody you would rate at a '10' (personally I hate the whole numeric rating thing, but that's me). Take what you can from that interaction and use it to your advantage next time you see somebody you like.

[Uber]

Not sure who you were referring too with 'dude' but good that you could take the info and laugh about it. Yeah, just move on to fresh female pastures.

[Serendipity]

noxx, even though I'm not a pickup artist I can tell you straight off the bat what the previous responses say are totally correct. It's dangerous to be too keen on a girl. Try to keep them on the line and let them impress you. You can always go and "get" another girl. Girls find it much more difficult to find guys they want because it's the guys who do the choosing. Just don't forget you are doing the choosing not them. Just be cool and you will be fine.