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I have always been good at opening girls when they are by themselves (shopping, coffee shops, work, clubs). I travelled a while ago for a few months and found it very easy to get a conversation going as everyone travelling was in the same "boat", ie eager to get conversations going about where you'd been, where you were from... Comfort and the latter stages are not something that bother me too much either and I had a fairly high hit rate whilst travelling.

However, I have a serious lack of conviction when it comes to opening sets of 2 girls or more and also what to talk about after the open. If I don't get an immediately chatty girl then I soon run out of things to say. Demonstrating higher value and all that isn't a problem but I don't find it particularly fun just reeling off lots of exciting things about myself unless it's intertwined with a long conversation with the girl.

So, how do you get over these sticking areas? Just practice? I'm not a fan of anything too pre prepared but I seem to have a higher fear when opening sets with multiple people than just someone by themselves. Not bothered about being rejected when a girl is by herself.

Maybe she is the one that has a problem not you!.

Sometimes they do!

PUA guff tells people all the time you can get any girl but it's just not true. Yeah it improves the odds dramatically but sometimes they have bad days, sometimes they are in relationships and sometimes they just want to be alone period!

It seems you have forgotten the teenage virtue of flirting - just wind them up about stuff, their shoes, clothes, say they stand! If you do this they will want to defend themselves, giving you the higher value and a conversation.

My favourite line is the 80s/90s called, they said they want their hair/t-shirt/jacket/shoes back! (with a cheeky wink)

winks are proper cheesy, the only time i wink... is when i made fun of someone infront of everyone and i wink so just they see it, kinda like a little thing between u & them, a sly un-noticable wink.

chops

jimmy savile called he wants its pickup techniques back

I tend to guage a reaction - if they really don't get it i find getting eye to eye and giving her a wink lets her know its a bit of fun rather than an assault on her style, but with a grl with something up top they usually banter back

In terms of opening large groups, just open the ones nearest you and you find that most times the group will naturally break off, leaving you with 2 or 3 people.

The only way to get over the sticking point is to keep on opening groups, eventually you will have an idea of what works and what doesn't.

Or just stick to the niche that I work ok in, which is girls by themselves, which happens often enough, just not much in night game unless they happen to be at the bar.

The annoying thing about groups is you're just increasing the likelihood of one of them being a total cunt.

Confront your fears

why write a thread if you're planning on sticking to singles?