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I have always been good at opening girls when they are by themselves (shopping, coffee shops, work, clubs). I travelled a while ago for a few months and found it very easy to get a conversation going as everyone travelling was in the same "boat", ie eager to get conversations going about where you'd been, where you were from... Comfort and the latter stages are not something that bother me too much either and I had a fairly high hit rate whilst travelling.

However, I have a serious lack of conviction when it comes to opening sets of 2 girls or more and also what to talk about after the open. If I don't get an immediately chatty girl then I soon run out of things to say. Demonstrating higher value and all that isn't a problem but I don't find it particularly fun just reeling off lots of exciting things about myself unless it's intertwined with a long conversation with the girl.

So, how do you get over these sticking areas? Just practice? I'm not a fan of anything too pre prepared but I seem to have a higher fear when opening sets with multiple people than just someone by themselves. Not bothered about being rejected when a girl is by herself.

Maybe she is the one that has a problem not you!.

Sometimes they do!

PUA guff tells people all the time you can get any girl but it's just not true. Yeah it improves the odds dramatically but sometimes they have bad days, sometimes they are in relationships and sometimes they just want to be alone period!

It seems you have forgotten the teenage virtue of flirting - just wind them up about stuff, their shoes, clothes, say they stand! If you do this they will want to defend themselves, giving you the higher value and a conversation.

My favourite line is the 80s/90s called, they said they want their hair/t-shirt/jacket/shoes back! (with a cheeky wink)

winks are proper cheesy, the only time i wink... is when i made fun of someone infront of everyone and i wink so just they see it, kinda like a little thing between u & them, a sly un-noticable wink.

chops

jimmy savile called he wants its pickup techniques back

I tend to guage a reaction - if they really don't get it i find getting eye to eye and giving her a wink lets her know its a bit of fun rather than an assault on her style, but with a grl with something up top they usually banter back

In terms of opening large groups, just open the ones nearest you and you find that most times the group will naturally break off, leaving you with 2 or 3 people.

The only way to get over the sticking point is to keep on opening groups, eventually you will have an idea of what works and what doesn't.

Or just stick to the niche that I work ok in, which is girls by themselves, which happens often enough, just not much in night game unless they happen to be at the bar.

The annoying thing about groups is you're just increasing the likelihood of one of them being a total cunt.

Confront your fears

why write a thread if you're planning on sticking to singles?

Because I was looking at ways of expanding. The whole premise of fit girls only go out in groups is just false...at the weekend maybe but there are plenty of other time to get a conversation going.

So you looked at expanding, via groups, asked about it in a thread, then decide not to?

No, I just said maybe it was simpler to focus on what works...as a question.

Fair point, it is easy to go off on a tangent especially on this site.
would it not be easier for me to stick to what I know than try to do something unknown and possibly uncomfortable?'
Not my original question but that is what came out after, yes.

Trolling? No, I just have a lot going on in my head.

"Easier" isn't always better

Its not easy to score a threesome with two strippers but you will fucking enjoy it!

(or maybe it is easy, but not for some)

I think you should open groups not just to get laid but to help develope your general social skills.

there's nothing more fulfilling than an entire group that think you're the don.

Is it not just easier to sit indoors wanking over the possibilities possibly touching a girls boobies once you've read enough ebooks...

I approach groups, but it is harder as I tend to approach alone and usually have to compete with her fat jealous mate, who's "looking out for her".

and this part:
lack of conviction when it comes to opening sets of 2 girls or more and also what to talk about after the open. If I don't get an immediately chatty girl then I soon run out of things to say. Demonstrating higher value and all that isn't a problem but I don't find it particularly fun just reeling off lots of exciting things about myself unless it's intertwined with a long conversation with the girl.

Obviously, it takes 2 to make a conversation. It normally depends on environment I find...situational stuff but if they've been approached by loads of men already then you need to make it more interesting.

Seriously just wind them up from the start playfully and they'll get on board

I can only echo what’s been said already coupled with my own experience.

If you can be arsed reading my very first posts you’ll discover this was my weakness as well.

Approaching groups.

Before I arrived at this site I’d quite happily been hitting single girls in the street with good success for months and before that spent months reading watching, listening to hours and hours worth of PUA material.

I knew exactly what to do and how to do it but my limiting belief was it felt impolite to approach a group, crazy I know but that’s what I believed, which was a real problem as I went out solo.

Naturally you avoid single girls for obvious reasons and a two set is almost impossible to isolate if you're wingless so that only left groups.

I overcame this by just simply approaching groups, I was reading a lot of NLP at the time which helped but essentially the only way you are going to overcome your fear is by doing it.

Avoid single girls why? They'd be the exact ones I'd hit on, they might be in a group but when they're alone by the bar, it's the perfect opportunity.

Not the same is it. The end result is to get a girl and that result comes whether you chat up singles, 2 sets, or groups - it's more a matter of what occurs more frequently and what you have or what you think you might get better success rate with. Of course, people go out in groups at the weekend so ideally you want to get better at breaking into groups...

Precisely single women get hit on all the time, because chumps look for easy targets. That’s why you have to master groups the girls in groups hardly ever get hit on.

Well done you’re learning you’ve answered your own question, go to the top of the class.

Now the other reasons you need to leave single girls alone.

First off we are only talking about bars and clubs NOT street game, single girls in book shops, tesco’s or the street are fair game.

If she’s alone in a bar there is usually a reason for it because girls don’t go out alone.

So what can happen?

You spend 5 minutes seducing her and her friends come out of the toilet and drag her away.

You start to kino her and her boyfriend comes out of the toilet and kino’s you.

She’s alone because she’s a nutjob.

She’s alone because she wants to be fucked, if the condom breaks you’ll probably have to take pills for the rest of your life and add a bit more information on the medical section of job applications.

Of course she can just be waiting for her friend and you are the 40th guy to approach her in 10 minutes and she might not tell you to fuck off and you’re in, pat yourself on the back for being a chump, get bonus points if you had a few drinks before approaching.

You might see a single girl and it goes perfectly, but don’t do what every other chump does and waits for girls to splinter or pick on the single girl. You need to progress and the only way is to start hitting the lucrative pickings in groups. Amen

haha! !

Its not funny I've had a similar situation, I was playing 'how well do you know your own body game' I had my hand high up her thigh, when she announced her ex boyfriend was watching me and is now coming over. He was fucking massive and I don't think in all honesty I could have taken him, thankfully is brain capacity wasn't great and it was cool, but never again, single girls, not worth it.

This type of thinking is just your inner self mentally backing up your negative limiting beliefs - (oh I will just approach singles because it works best for me)
sub-conscious translation - approaching singles is easier than groups, so lets just do singles..


Conscious thoughts: Fuck it I CBA to go out tonight I'm just guna watch a film
sub-conscious translation - wanking to lesbian porn is better than a threesome I could have had tonight by approaching a 2 set of girls cos I don't have to move out my chair either

Fuck your fears and approach some hot group chicks :) you can do it genepool, get a wing if you can't