1st date was not a date as such but more a get to meet as it was arranged after online game-most girls tend to be a bit careful on the 1st date for this and it was only a short 1.5hr meet.
2nd date, we didn't kiss because she fucking got onto the subject of my ex gf just at the end of the date, which kind of ruined the moment.
I've basically already told her, she didn't say no, she said I was being presumptuous. I don't think innuendo is the easy way out-it can be a bit of a tease as well. She already wants to go out with me again, just a matter of when.

i just wanna let u know im writing this response without reading ur excuse...

there are no excuses mate... u know it in ur heart, u just shit it!!

next time stop bein a pussay & think AHHH U KNOW WHAT FUCK IT...

then say cum here... pull her in and kiss her

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I'll go with something similar to this, she'll probably call me presumptuous again and then sleep with me.

Be presumptuous, it shows your confident.

You have to be escalating Kino, or it will be weird.

Tell her your gonna get a hotel so you can get hot and sweaty and fuck like animals. Chicks get mega wet when you tell them they gonna get fucked hard.

This is a good thread. control the conversation, if she says 'whats going on with ur ex?' move on, quick answer then presume something about her. "ah thats in the past, i'm a new man now, did you not notice? you look like you like holidays to me, you like staying in hotels?

if she says your presuming, say... what that a man and woman want to have sex with each other... what an absurd idea.

and anyway dont play coy, u want me as much as i want you... so lets say the end of the month, and WE can arrange it between us. and thats that.

then text her a picture of ur knob 8=======0

I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS kiss on the first date. Usually as soon as I see them!!! But if its not "adequate" at that time, I will at the end of the date ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS.

Phil is right.

You are avoiding the confrontation/rejection by going the "innuendo" route, which is just stupid anyway. It MIGHT get you laid occasionally cos the girl needs sex and thinks fuck it, I may as well make a move if he doesn't.

I fucked an american girl last week, well turns out she has been with her boyfriend for 5 months and not even slept with him because he hasn't made the move, yet I did!! (note: i did not know she had a bf until the next morning, shoot me)

Just let your inner man take control, be dominant with her, but playful as well.. don't take her so serious.. she may give off much playful banter, but deep down, every woman just needs a good, hard fucking!!!

And note for you: NEXT DATE WITH ANY WOMAN, KISS HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

basically you should always be moving forward.

here are the steps

1: talk/open

2: touch

3: kiss

4: finger whilst kissing (in aproriate location)

5: fuck

the kiss finger fuck has served me well it's very reliable.

as for presuming you can only presume because you don't have enogh information to do anything but simple.

same as poker you can't know they're bluffing you just make a decision based on the information provided.

if you play too reserved in poker eventually your stack dwindles the same is true in seduction eventually you have to bet and when you do you have to be strong with the bet no half assed betting.

is her ear appropriate