ok then.

Look, because your answer is very short, but looks like if you know a lot about this topic, can you give me a link where I can find all the informations that can help me to distinguish between "marketing" and MasterPua (someone that is really really really really excellent in picking up pussies)?

I found a website called puafraud a while ago that showed VindiCarlo and Mehow frauds, but I don't know if this also mean that Vin Di Carlo is not able to pick up a pussy and he is just selling a product..

How can you really know it unless you see them?


This is also why I asked if someone of you have seen adam lyons around, or beckster (in another post)...
everything come back to the same issue...

Puafraud is owned by Ross Jeffries and used to spread FUD against his competitors.

Anything that associates itself as "pua" is marketing. Including this forum. I don't speak for the admins here but the vast majority of this forum has moved away from pua. It's a place of getting women and becoming better men. The branding is great for bringing people into the forum though, it's also the starting point for people in all of this. Stick around, ask questions, get advice. Give it time and you'll agree and see what everyone else here sees, you're suffering from newbie syndrome at the moment.

I agree with Jay there, I am beginning to see the bigger picture

Nobody is a "master PUA" the only thing stopping people getting laid (or married) is limiting beliefs, lack of confidence and maybe some bad looks that can be improved upon..

ok thank you

so in your opinion what is the best way to find someone really good in getting women?

should I read all the field reports on all the forums and finding these guys?

I m not doing a classify,
the ONLY reason why I m asking this is because I want to do a modeling project with someone great in pick up and
as you guys probably know better than me
the first of the 6 steps in a modeling project is clear and precise:

step1 : FIND A GENIUS (someone that get EXCELLENT and CONSISTENT results in the activity you are interested in. Because finding a genius might take some time, it's better get to model someone WORTHY this time, it's better if you find THE BEST you can. This is why I was looking for the best pua in london)


I could read all the field reports or go every night in clubs looking for a genius, but if someone can help me in this giving me some directions it would be a save of time.


Thank you

oh!

before that someone asks me what I mean for consistent,

I mean a man that is able to select a target wether in a street, in a club, in a car, at a wedding, in a church and get it with the highest possible percentage of success (I don't know probably 90% success?)

And that is able to do the same with two targets for a 3some anytime anywhere.


Consistence for me is the ability of getting what you want (1, 3some, 6some etc in the time you want.

succeeding with an almost 100% success
before someone else tells me that this is not possible and that the maximum is 50%
OK THEN, who is this guy able to do this "Maximum" 50% results?

JUST TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE WITH NUMBERS:
If this guy decide that toìnight he ll kclose 10 and fclose3 in 4some he is able to get it "50%" of the times.

I m looking for the maximum that currently a human being living in uk or europe is able to do.
(I m willing to move anywhere)


I hope it's clear enough

THANKS A LOT

Massive newbie syndrome.

50% of the population is married.
20-30% are in committed relationships.
This leaves roughly 20-30% single.

No matter what anyone tells you it is not possible to approach and get any kind of result from the vast majority of these other than a number, under the radar. This is where you've bought into the pua lie falsely. Even someone heavily selecting is going to bump into many, many taken people, resulting in failures. It is easier in clubs/pubs, few are married. Without a boyfriend clearly in sight there are few tells for being taken before an approach though. This is why the success rates you want are not possible.

You've been taken in by all the marketing, hype and sales lines.

Ok thank you.
I really appreciate your point of view. It s like if you have a wider perspective then me.

Let's make it simple.


Beside any number, anything possible or not possible, any marketing
do you have any clue for how to find someone very good in picking up?

any name?

for example I have seen a couple of guys doing amazing things in a club, but that was in italy, I know their names and they would probably be perfect, but they only speak italian.


so
at the end of the day my question is just:

VERY SKILLFUL GUYS: SOME NAMES? and WHERE ARE THEY?
I m sure there are some on this forum too, I just would prefer do not read 3000 field reports if someone that is in the forum from a while knows who they are.

@ Pla1er

What do you plan to do when you find this elusive Master PUA?

Me (altho i dont really do street approaches.... and if they have BF's etc i dont bother following it up. I also pick my time & place... i think that its important that you dont just start chatting women up in certain situations.

this is a dream, doesn't happen.

i number close most girls im having dialogue with....

i fuk every girl whos number i get in which i wish to take further, some i will just not bother ringing... with the odd exception of circumstance

but if i like her, she is mine END OF.

but im good looking.... so its not completely down to the talk... infact i would never get away with half the shit i do wer i ugly.

so i think the answer to the question ur asking is... NO there is no set words or pattern that is gonna get u any girl u want,

no its not a movie... its maths

Personality + Looks & appearance + Attitude & attractiveness + Timing & Luck + numbers of approach = Outcome

Even if such person does exist what makes you think they want to have you following them around subjecting them to some sort of weird personality cloning experiment ?.