If you want to do what 99% of the male polulation will will do, sure.

Not asking a question like this in the first place won't put you in such a weak position.

So what's your answer to my initial question?

knave, do u actually listen to urself....

first off... girls dont just go NO

she will say somethin like, i dont think its a good idea or i have a BF or somthin

or more than likely "ye why not"

and even if a girl did say no, and you go OK WER U WANNA GO

she will think ur a creep, and likely tell everyone ur a weird stalker.

dont make it more akward than needs to be, just smile and say

"ok well ill just sit in the tree opposite your window as per usual business... see u late r" with a smile and leave it there.

knave i think u say stuff to come across in a certain way but i think u chat shit, and i dont think u actually follow ur own advice.

u write responses then you response & they just dont happen that cold cut!

thanks phil for your post about taking your time I think this is probably where I'm going wrong.

ll my best girls have taken a while and it wasn't that I was try hard or anything I just liked talking to them.

I spose it's like cooking or brewing beer to get the best flavour takes more time.

you have to let it grow.

talk about sex, just make a joke with a big smile, i hope u dont think im gonna sleep with u yet, im just not that kinda boy... dont wait for a reply just start laffin.

dont avoid the conversation of sex coz u may scare her off.

if your on a date, chances are at some point u will wind up havin sex anyway eventually.

just make sure the idea of & and her havin sex is brought up in passing... like questions

what would be the worst situation to be caught havin sex in

wheres the strangest place u had it

anythin that fits the convo.


if she acts coy,laff at her and push it... "dont be a girl"

her : i am a girl (this is pretty much always the response)

oh yea so u are..... i just realised im gay...

stand up walk away and say CALL ME... then just start laffin and sit back down.

She could quite easily say 'NO', she could say...

'No fuck off phil you're asking me a question instead of leading and you're giving me the opportunity to say No to you'

Why would you allow me to say No to you if you're supposed to be this super confident guy?

Or if you're trying to come across as wee bit vulnerable, she could say 'OMG, I think my legs are going to buckle I've never been swept of feet so pathetically before, I think I'm in love'

coz mate, there is a difference between a girl sayin not being able to say no coz she is attracted to strength and confidence....

but then there is not allowin her to say no even if she doesnt want to ... thats a bit rapey mate... why do i wanna be out with a girl who doesnt wanna be out with me... just to make me a super awsome number closer??

dont be so hung up on PUA mate... get a grip


girl in my work is quite fit, her fella was proper nervous when they met, she liked it, it made her feel like he worshiped her... they now live together

i know alot of girls who like this!!! not the type of girls i want.... but horses for courses mate...

my approach never works on proper shy girls, they shit they-selves.

u cant win em all and im startin to agree with kowalski day by day, ur advice isnt advice its a self created illusion.

pack it in

Very pertinent point


Knave, have you actually got an example of how you do it or are you just going to disrupt the thread?

Trying to keep this shit constructive here, fair enough if you disagree with Phil.

I just don't get what your take on the situation is

he wants everyone to think he is alpha

Taking charge of a situation rapey???? You have a very narrow minded approach to women, but then you've already admitted this several times in the past, its not a critism just a fact, as you say horses for courses.

I like all girls I see something in them all, it may surprise you to know I don't select on looks alone, I'm currently with a 10 but my point is its about PU. If I like a girl I'll close her, simple as, not fuck about with some wishy washy question shit, I'll close.

Nobody needs me to post examples my previous posts are full of examples, its down to BL, confidence and use of English, don't ask, take e.g you're cute, I like you, you'd make a great girlfriend. End

I'll leave this site when I'm done or when I stop getting thanks so lets just say it will be the former, rather than the latter.