Originally Posted by CovertOperation

*Sigh...*

Halcyon mate, I'm really sorry. But I've dropped right back from the world of pick up over the months precisely because of rubbish like this and the sheer amount of it which spawns forth from pick up 'gurus'. I've had major fallings out with other supposed 'gurus' in the world of pick up when I realised what bollocks they were talking and had the audacity to challenge them as opposed to taking their words as gospel. It surprised them because they didn't expect any challenge to what they were saying. Its the critical flaw of pick up as a body of reputable social science: the lack of rigorous review and challenge, and the fact that 'gurus' writings are held up as gospel so routinely.

And its put me right off the whole damned thing.

Mate, no-one else is having this debate. It isn't important. Just because you've written it down and you've got your own website doesn't make it important either.

But it isn't the subject or its terminally dubious validity which really gets my goat here, or the lack of real depth of thought which has gone into it, or even the ease with which what your saying can be knocked to pieces. Its more the fact that this is posited as an authoritative scripture. I don't know you, I don't know where you've been or where you've come from. But reading this, I really wouldn't take a blind bit of notice of you, because its rubbish.

And its more so the fact that this article suffers from the pick up industry's most frustrating, infuriating and downright ludicrous trait: that you've taken hundreds of words to say what could have been said in half a paragraph*, and that you've deliberately made something very simple extremely complicated in order to award it an air of authority and mystique that it simply doesn't merit. I've seen it all before. And its all bollocks. It really is.

Like I say, I don't know you. You're probably a decent lad, and maybe you are pretty good with girls. So fucking stop writing rubbish like this and go and enjoy your life! You're not helping anyone.

Really. You're not.




*Yes, I do appreciate the irony of making this statement in a post which is itself long. ish.

Originally Posted by RLAJay

Fuck me. Did Phil just give me a Thanks? World collapsing?

Originally Posted by CovertOperation

*Sigh...*

Halcyon mate, I'm really sorry. But I've dropped right back from the world of pick up over the months precisely because of rubbish like this and the sheer amount of it which spawns forth from pick up 'gurus'. I've had major fallings out with other supposed 'gurus' in the world of pick up when I realised what bollocks they were talking and had the audacity to challenge them as opposed to taking their words as gospel. It surprised them because they didn't expect any challenge to what they were saying. Its the critical flaw of pick up as a body of reputable social science: the lack of rigorous review and challenge, and the fact that 'gurus' writings are held up as gospel so routinely.

And its put me right off the whole damned thing.

Mate, no-one else is having this debate. It isn't important. Just because you've written it down and you've got your own website doesn't make it important either.

But it isn't the subject or its terminally dubious validity which really gets my goat here, or the lack of real depth of thought which has gone into it, or even the ease with which what your saying can be knocked to pieces. Its more the fact that this is posited as an authoritative scripture. I don't know you, I don't know where you've been or where you've come from. But reading this, I really wouldn't take a blind bit of notice of you, because its rubbish.

And its more so the fact that this article suffers from the pick up industry's most frustrating, infuriating and downright ludicrous trait: that you've taken hundreds of words to say what could have been said in half a paragraph*, and that you've deliberately made something very simple extremely complicated in order to award it an air of authority and mystique that it simply doesn't merit. I've seen it all before. And its all bollocks. It really is.

Like I say, I don't know you. You're probably a decent lad, and maybe you are pretty good with girls. So fucking stop writing rubbish like this and go and enjoy your life! You're not helping anyone.

Really. You're not.




*Yes, I do appreciate the irony of making this statement in a post which is itself long. ish.

Originally Posted by Halcyon

I might just have to throw out a little sigh myself upon reading your reply.

You've failed to reply to anything that I've written, but merely said it's crap. Not the most cohesive of arguments is it?

You say you've been put off the community because of people's writings being held as gospel, and writing in many words what could be said in just a few.

You then go on to state with an air of absolute and unquestionable authority that you are right and I am talking shit, and you do so using many, many words.

You recognise the hypocrisy of using too many words but I wonder if you see the hypocrisy in everything else that you've written.

Originally Posted by AJay

woman are most attracted to the men with the highest survival and replication chances! confidence and courage a merely parts of that! but you cannot have courage without confidence. so confidence wins... courage will come with confidence.

AJay

Originally Posted by kowalski

Or even for some pretty shitty and negative value characteristics too, people can be attracted.


Peace,

kowalski

Originally Posted by Halcyon

You then go on to state with an air of absolute and unquestionable authority that you are right and I am talking shit, and you do so using many, many words.