All the best Knave! Glad to hear you've found someone you're really into.

i think u mis understood... just because u are not willing to take any shit does not mean ur treating her mean. just means she keeps respect for you

Hey Knave good luck with this girl.
could you maybe give us some background on how you met her, how things have progressed and how long youve been dating etc?
I find these things interesting.

Met her in a bar, nothing really usually, I’d spotted her as I moved away from the bar, so I started talking to group nearby, I told her she was kinda hot and come out with me for a drink, I’ll pick you up at 7pm tomorrow, I Can’t sorry, that’s okay I understand let’s make it 8pm. Pretty lame I know but I’d been switching ideas around recently and getting mixed results. A woman will characterise you really quickly, probably within the first 30 seconds. I knew where I’d been placed so it only took about 20 minutes to get her number and approval of her friends.

First date, was just a bar I gave less than hour, because I knew she’d never give in so easy. Second, date I took her to horror film because she’s scared of them and I wanted to trigger her emotions so I could sleep with her. We’ve been casually dating a few weeks nothing I would call serious boyfriend/girlfriend stuff, I was seeing other girls and she was cool with that, but like I said nothing serious. She phoned before bank holiday and told me that she wanted exclusive rights to me, if that’s what I wanted as well, we should talk and that’s that what we did.

I'm not sure how inspiring this is because I've put a lot of effort into PU, I was out 5 nights a week at one point, I've loved every minute but have questioned myself several times, I suppose everyone was a different set of goals and ways to achieve them.

Its easy to miss the fact your ideal woman may already be in your circle of friends or be a work colleague and no gaming is required just the abilty to confidently show her this.

Anyway this time I mean it, last post.

WTF? Good riddence you pussy-whipped chode

:-P

i like this thread a lot. its good to see people evolving past the game (not the book). the game itself is amazing (i presume, im not playing atm). its full of analysis of how to treat women and people around you and constantly improving yourself. if you haven't got a grasp on how a conversation or society works, its gotta be invaluable to some people.

although im with the majority of guys who've posted saying don't put a bitch on a pedestal, i cant help but respect and sympathise with knave's attitude. hes ready to ditch the stupid mind games (which most of us are only playing with ourselves btw!) and be open/honest with his girl. if this approach works out, shes a keeper. if it doesn't, she was a high maintenance bitch anyway. i hope you make babies who grow into hot ladies just incase im still balling..