Hey guys,

Look, i know this is purely down to personal preference but i just wanted to know who you think ranks as the No.1 PUA not just at this current time but of all time...........Casanova? Adam Lyons? Mystery? Gambler? You know the names, and there are many!

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Gambler, I really like his micro kino escalation stuff. Seems to work really well when used in the field!

Jaz. The rest are out to scam money of newbies..!

"Best" is a questionable concept dependant upon what you define as something that makes someone better than others. Ability to teach or ability to pull? Are ethical values something that raises someone's rating or lowers it because it limits the number of people they go after? Is it the total numbers they get or the % of successes they get in relation to the number they approach with a view to attracting them?

Adam Lyons is a pretty nice chap in person.

Agree Gambler's stuff seems to have the serious benefit of actually working, doesn't involve cheezy canned lines and there's hours of it free online.

I will be honest and say I have never looked at ANYTHING by Gambler, just because I never got round to it.

Check out him at U21 2010 if you've got 90 minutes to kill (couple of good Lyons speeches on this site too - whole things rather than 10 minute chunks on You Tube which is nice):

Richard La Ruina T21C 2010*|*The 21 Convention

Yeh, i've watched both Richard La Ruina and Adam Lyons at U21 on youtube. I really like Adam's talk about the PEN system, and i always like to watch Gamblers video's!

watching gamblers videos is where it all started for me, kinda realized i used some of it before, so next time i went out i gave it a go. wanted me to find out more! i managed to get a 3 minute kiss close with gamblers kino escalation last wednesday! I can see the PEN system working as well. however i came across a girl who pretended to be a different PEN to what she actually was, so had adjust!

Calibration, some girls are hard to read, they put of a front that i think we need to break before we can fully utilise PEN, unless of course she's psychotic...... then just tell her you want to but fuck her! ha ha