im sayin that!!

ye u can get girls if ur fat.. just not uber fitties

as its been discussed before.. PUA will only help u get girls to about +2 of your physical appearance

if your a 5... u will get 7's (there are obv rareties but as a general rule)

so if ur fat and a 6 with game u can get an 8

if you go the gym get slim dress well etc become an 8 but have game u can pull a ten

i genuinely believe that sayin looks are not important is a marketing tool mate!!

LOOKS MATTER!

phil once again ur full of shieeet

sound mate

thanks for clearin that up K

in future when this debate comes up! please do that linki thing u do...

directly to this post!

Phil my personal belief is....

Looks Matter
Money Matters
Physique Matters
Status Matters

but and here it is! -- all those things give you personal empowerment within, you feel confident within yourself with any or all of those things.
So not only on the surface do those things above initially attract a woman but the confidence they bestow upon you makes a huge difference

I think Above all those things Confidence and Presence is a massive attractant.

K - i agree with you here but to arrive at this thought process you have to go on a journey.
Somone else cannot tell you the above as it will not sink in.

So this personal Journey involves -- in the world of PUA- Going through the same journey everyone else and YOU have.

Ive read your first posts on here all about girls and openers etc etc
You have had to travel that road to reach the destination you are at now-- the knowledge that actually none of that matters and to always be yourself.
you get the point anyhow.

You cannot just tell somone to be Authentic if they are not happy with who they are inside, and you cannot tell somone to be happy if they are not happy.
Pulling girls will not make you happy but the journey you undertake which is actually a much wider far reaching journey than pulling fanny (although you dont know that at the time) is what develops the skills and the internalisation that you are you... you are awesome, you realise what matters in life.

Im still on that journey-- i dont think it ever ends

What a defeatist attitude. Work from the core.

this sounds like a blerb for a PUA book

how about! face reality... its a narcissistic world...

Yeah I'm kidding myself here. Damn those PUAs making me think I shouldn't worry about my looks. I should face reality and be really concerned, I SHOULD think 'it matters'. I'd better try and remember what it was like before I got into all this game sh*T, when I wondered if a girl liked the look of me or not, and made my excuses not to take action.

the fact u still argue is beyond me! explain this then....

my mate REALLY GOOD LOOKING, we walk down the street and girls just stop an look at him!!

i walk into wok & go and see some girl i like and she COMPLETELY ignores me starin at him

if we wer both to walk up to her!! yea, if we had time i could GAME IT UP and probly get her number

but he has the time it takes to build attraction to make his move!! in which all ur efforts are futile.... Looks mean u dont need to build attraction, its already there

the most important part of PUA is building attraction... looking good makes its most important part EASY!!

so yeah, it matters