Hi, so i really need an advice men, a big one and as much as you can, couz i am gonna try em all..
So, the thing is that i work at hotel as an accountant and there is a girl who works in bar.. and it's not just a girl, it's the most gorgeous HB i have ever seen, a HBtentententententen!! and i need a F. masterpiece plan how to get her, and actually i dont even want to get her, just to be her like really good friend(and then get her).. couz i dont think that, girl like she falls down so easily.. and also a girl like she is 100% never free..
and i can add that i am shy and bla bla and everything else AFC'ish..

till now my best idea is to start conversation at the time when we are smoking, but she is barely never alone and that's a problem(well atleast for me)..
Need advice men

there isnt plans!! and no u dont wanna be her friend then get her!! thats what bell ends do!

talk to her!!

HI, BLAH BLAH, Be funny.... after about 3 times of doin this

Say "look, i wouldnt mind gettin to know you outside of work, do you fancy meetin up"

there u go

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read what you have put in this thread a few times (maybe many times) then decide what to do.

and if she says not really act like you're not bothered or better don't be bothered hot chicks are always around and you gotta realise that. As phil said don't be her friend unless you want to cos if you become her friend then she rejects you later you're gonna look like a dick unless you be her friend forever.

The fact that you're asking for advice on how to get one particular girl shows that you've done next to no reading at all and have barely scraped the surface of seduction yet you want to go and get this girl you're claiming is a 10+++++ ?

Do yourself a major favour, don't go near her yet.

Spend the next 2 weeks obsessively reading and researching all of the major methods out there, fill your mind to the brim with information.

Then spend the following 2 months practicing on other girls 5 days a week, working out what works for you and what doesn't.

Then and only then will you be anywhere near a comfortable position where you can go up to this girl with the best chances possible, even then NOTHING is guaranteed.

You're AFC, you say it yourself, nobody here can give you a plan that's going to help you, the vast majority of what you need to change is inside your mind anyway. None of us can instantly change your confidence, how you carry yourself, your frame of mind, your body language or how you react to difficult situations. These things can ONLY be changed through experiences and practice, becoming someone who can consistently attract others is a journey that takes months and even those of us who could be called experienced learn new things and have new experiences.

If you're absolutely intent on trying it on with her, use the probable failure as a motivator to really get stuck in here rather than wallowing in depression and defeat like so many others.

You sound utterly starstruck by this one girl, being that enamoured, what are the chances of you behaving in an attractive manner? There is a small chance that she might just like you, AFC's get laid or we all wouldn't be here, so try if you want but be prepared for the greater probability of heartache which could be instant or drawn out. You sound aware that you need a plan, the plan would be as laid out by RLAJay, work on yourself, let her see you being social and gregarious, make yourself a more attractive man in general. If she sees this in you, without you hitting on her directly just yet, it may lay a foundation. You may find the focus on this one girl leaves you. In any event, best of luck.

I smell pedestal fever.

Rather than thinking "this girl is the most almightily beautiful creature that God (or selective genetics if we're being... you know... right) has ever carved", think to yourself "this girl may be good enough to be my friend / partner".

If you idolise her too much, you'll always feel like you're trying to be worthy of her, which will probably lead to you being a needy little tag-along, if anything at all.

Place her as an equal, sure, but don't place her so high as to think that she's some borderline unachievable Goddess. No matter how awesome you may think she is, remember that somewhere there's a guy who's sick of her shit.

I'm going to completely disagree with RLAJay about when you should approach though. If you spend the next two weeks cramming information you're going to:

a) Lose your sense of 'self' amongst the pages
b) Possibly become some overly scripted PUA wannabe who can be spotted a mile away
c) Confuse yourself with the plethora of contrasting advise
d) Build up the approach to this girl more and more in that time until you're never able to do it.

Here's how I'd play it out, and bear in mind that I coming from an angle where you work together so you always have the opportunity to see her on a regular basis, and that (as you so started), you're somewhat AFC at the moment, so going from nothing to a full close (of the number, instant date or whatever variety) is probably unlike on your first run.

Firstly, let her know that you're alive.

Next time you see her, walk past and make sure you say "hi". Be loud (to a degree), be confident. Let her know that you're there.

Then, preferably later that day, do the same but with a few more words. "Hello again", is a personal favourite.

Finally, on a third run "hey, we must stop bumping into each other like this, people will talk", or words to that effect. Congratulations. Ice is broken.

From there, it's a matter of talking to her when you can, and each time you do being confident in yourself. If you get shy and start to stumble on your words, rather than standing around and muttering nothings, say something like "anyway, shouldn't you be working?" (ideally in a cheeky way) and eject. You work together, there's plenty of time.

Then, after a brief natter or two you will be more comfortable around her and that's the time to suggest something like "hey, we should go for a drink after work tomorrow" (I like to say tomorrow in a colleague situation, because then it gives her the chance to choose what to wear. If she makes an effort (nice clothes and well done make-up), it's more likely she's interested. If she doesn't make an effort, she's probably not.)

In all seriousness, there are countless ways that you could approach this situation, and depending on you, the girl, your PU knowledge and a billion other little factors, some will work and some won't. Like I said, this is a bit more of a 'soft' approach, which is sometimes safer in the workplace being as you have to consider potential social awkwardness if you go straight in for the kill, as well as your reputation.

Let us know what you decide to do and how it goes.

Don't do what RLAJay suggested. That's nonsense.

Yeh. Don't do that.

You'll end up overloaded with conflicting information. 90% of which is essentially useless.

Divorce yourself from the idea of picking her up totally. If you even believe in the concept of 'your dream girl' or in 'HB10s' then I think you are pretty much still missing the entire point.

Kick her off her pedestal and get to know what makes her tick. Not to pick up her specifically, but with the aim of gaining an insight into what makes 'girls like her' tick. Claim you are writing a novel and it's research for a female character.

She's your crash test dummy. It's all a learning process.

What ever you do don't start opening doors and carrying bags for her. This doesn't led to sex. Ever. Also I'd say don't attempt a work place pick up until you really know what you are doing, because win, lose or draw you are locked into the consequences. A bad blow out will infect every woman in the work place, and even going all the way and getting your dick wet might leave you with an obsessive bunny boiler that you have to see everyday or worse still some mad bint you can't escape ever and eventually have to marry.

Divorce yourself from the weight of expectation. Speak to her as an equal. Build a relationship motviated by your desire to gain insight/understanding and to get better at scoring with girls 'like' her (but not her specifically-remember she's not remotely in anyway shape or form special...she's just attractive).

My 2 cents.

True to an extent.

When I last worked in a large sized company (>600 people) I dated four people from there over the course of almost two years. The fact that I'd been with other people that they knew didn't put them off because it pretty much always ended amicably (apart from one who went a little crazy seeing me with someone else at the Halloween party just after we broke up, and who proceeded to smash my PC and steal my glasses - she got caught and fired though, primarily because she was mental).

As long as they see you as a good person, if it works it works, if it doesn't then there's always chances that they'll big you up to their other girl friends.

One option to getting this girl could always be to make sure the people she talks to at work the most love you too, because then if she asks them "do you know so-and-so?", they'll respond with "oh yeah, he's awesome" etc etc, which helps DHV.

It's a double-edged sword though. Fuck it up and you'll create a volatile working environment.