So was pondering this as it has happened to me a few times.. was out last night and was standing near a bar.. these girls were dancing and started working their way closer to me, one of them dances back facing me in a grinding type of way hoping that maybe i'll grab her and dance with her..these somewhat ridiculous things go through my head...(note: i was sober, mates were very drunk, one of my mates pulled a fit blonde 5mins prior)

1.this girl is ok looking not great and seems a bit desperate
2. im pretty self conscious about how i look to my friends if i do start dancing with her, does it make me look like lower value as she isnt that fit and if i were higher value i wouldnt bother with her?
3. think if i grab her i could be mistaken i look like a creepy desperate guy looking to get any girl i can get my hands on
4.i can do better
(note: i was sober, mates were very drunk, one of my mates pulled a fit blonde 5mins prior)

if a girl opens u whether it be verbal or non verbal and u find her attractive then happy days...but if a girl comes on to you but isnt hot, surely its beneficial to practice ur "game" on her but i find it hard to ...

like you want the feeling the girl wants u, makes u feel good, u want to make her more attracted but that means flirting, and i find it hard to flirt with a girl im not attracted to? if u get me...

with all this talk about the basics and fundaments of pu i think this is relevant....tbh recently ive retreated further and further into my own head trying to think about what im going to say whilst already having a converstation....and have got to a stage were im worse than an afc at times despite learning game for 2 years...pretty ridiculous if u ask me, too much knowledge/thinking is DANGEROUS it fucks you up....

sure ive had success, but trying to use certain pu techniques has lost me the girl more often than not, with being out of practice and seeing girls not as other people but as objects for me to game, using techniques etc my mind has been poisoned and i think i might have to take a break from thinking pu...and just try my best to get a fresh start and rid myself of this cloud of shit ive created inside my head...

You're over thinking it.

Why are you out?

To wrestle with philosophical imponderables

or

To have fun


If a girl is dance-opening you, do the bum bounce, followed by smile.

Scamp

Then u will always be on the run! As K knows, such people are unhinged and dangerous renegades, outlawed by the thought police.

thanks thats what i needed to hear

There is a saying I like,

"When I was young I'd look off into the distance and I'd see everything in its wonder, the mountains the flowers and the lakes. Then I as I got older I saw erosion & photosynthesis and the hydrologic cycle. Then when I became wise I saw the mountains the flowers and lakes"

tldr?

You start off unconsciously incompetent (you dont know you dont know), then you become consciously competent (you know you suck but have no idea what to do about it) after some quite a bit of learning you become consciously competent (you know what to do but goddam if you only did). Then only after a lot of practice you become unconsciously competent (....)

You'll find happiness at either end.

Personally I think if you (OP) are reading about all this stuff and it's making you see girls 'not as other people' but objects in 'the game' then you re kinda missing the point imo.

If you give a girl that grinds on you a twirl- it's not a wedding ring. You aren't commited to anything. You're just 'a guy' out having fun and not over thinking this shit.

If she's really rough then hey do it right and you'll look charitable. If she's anything more than that you just look like a fun to be around kinda guy. But if you cower away you might look like a creep that's afriad of human contact.

As for 'Pua Techniques' making things worse, remember that none of this shit is supposed to be a get out jail free card. All any of this kind of information can do is give you the tools to present your own real attributes and qualites in ways that's are going to be favourably regarded. Imo it's about taking control of the way others (male and female) perceive and evaluate you socially.

It's about aquiring the tools to put YOUR best foot forward. But it still has to be YOUR foot. You can't just rely on canned pua stuff. It takes two to tango and reading and reacting to her signals is just as important as your own shit. It's like Tennis rather than cricket. You have to hit the ball back not just rack up a load of runs till the over's over...

if that makes any sense?

Just my opinion of course.

I agree with kicked there 3 IOIs then close don't wait for more cod then you loose your target or you start thinking too much into it and that just fucks it up.
Here one for you guys, I was out over the weekend and this girl in the club opened me by saying "you have a beautiful smile" I was stomped not ready for that at all. I'm new in the game and I have spent so much time thinking about how to open I have never thought about what to do when I get opened and she was a 9 as well I can believe I lost it all I got was a picture. What do you do if you get opened like that? Help a brother out there, cheers.

say "thank you" and smile back


....

...while you stand close to her, holding eye contact. Then follow up with cocky-funny ("I see you appreciate good quality") and/or genuine ("and YOU girl, have the most stunning body" [HOLD EYE CONTACT LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER, PAUSE, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Aim to make her blush or even better get aroused.])

Rebus

see thats what im talking about, some good advice there cheers. I just need to work on it so that next time im ready.
Im off to germany for the weekend hopefully i will have a good story to tel after

u spit on ur timmy mallet and stick it in her fartbox