I am not sure if I mentioned a club as such, I suggested cocktail bar, but she is more a wine drinker than cocktails. Art galleries was suggested but she does not seem to be too into those.

This is a tricky one, difficult to prise info out of her, but not impossible.

I get the feeling that maybe I need to spend a little more time in the comfort building zone before escalating into the sexual arena.

"What I want to ask is, have you kissed this girl? And, if not, why not?"

Yes and no.

Yes, when we met for D2 I gave her a peck on the cheek as we met. Then she was given two as we parted.

No, I have not k-closed her yet.

Why not? It feels to early to be making out. I just sense that it would be taking things too fast. The interaction is not yet in that zone. I would need to spend a little more time with her and get closer to her, emotionally.

There still feels to be a little distance between us, we have not known each other for very long......

Hi K, thanks for your input but I would disagree with your advice at the moment.

I have only been on a d2 which lasted about 1 1/2 hours in total and d1 was about 30mins.

There just is not that connection there from me.

I wonder if I am loosing interest. This is not AA that I am suffering from. It is just that at the moment my interest level is falling off. I have been out sarging recently and got loads of @ and n-closes but am struggling to get to past d2.

Had the incident with the Russian last week. maybe I just need to recharge my batteries to get back in the saddle.

Back on topic though, I think that what I need to do with this HB8 is to arrange another date and allow the situation and logistics to enable me to f-close.

You are right that I am in danger of ending up in the friend zone if I am not careful, or if I am too careful and not daring enough.

let me sleep on it.

To some ... 2 hours is a long ass time to an f close man ! How can you have a day 2 with this girl and have not kissed her yet ?? This genuinly baffles me .... I wouldn't even consider a day 2 with a girl unless i k close her on the night because otherwise your just some guy who is being nice to her basically... nothing sexual has happened between you yet and the graph doesn't lie .

Just make sure you sex your whole situation up real quick

Oh and i have no problems with HB's with boyfriends .... I allow her my time and she can proceed as she likes ... This may make me a prick but i rekon i have commitment issues so that's my excuse .

You need to kino escalate from the start.

You're right, going for a kiss now would be awkward and unexpected for her? As you have not lead up to it.

Kino, sprinkled with some SOIs should escalate to a kiss.

I believe you can cheat the chart by getting her drunk....

You need to kino escalate from the start.

You're right, going for a kiss now would be awkward and unexpected for her? As you have not lead up to it.

Kino, sprinkled with some SOIs should escalate to a kiss.

I believe you can cheat the chart by getting her drunk....

Kowalski, I would never have expected to see Sun Tzu quoted on this forum....

The great military man spoke a lot of sense but I am not sure it applies in this case.

Anyhow, you are right, I should not wait too long.

There has been a little kino, not much and not nearly enough.

I think that the idea to kino escalate with some SOI should help to rescue the situation.

I got a text from yesterday evening saying that she was not free on sunday afternoon as there was something else arranged that she had to go to. This is genuine and I know she can not get out of it.

She did suggest meeting again in the week for "coffee". I am going to give that a miss because there will not be the opportunity to escalate towards the f-close. The best I can hope for is to continue to build comfort rather than move towards the sexual dimension.

I think that a better strategy is to arrange something for a friday or a weekend with plenty of time and opportunity to eventually move towards an f-close. At this meeting I would be able to freely escalate towards k-close and further.

How does that sound?