Serious thread is serious.

For those that haven't met me, I'm not even that terrible in dealing with women - I can do everything after the approach pretty well, and I suppose my 'conversion' rate is quite high. It's rare I'll go for a long time without sleeping with someone - but I want more attractive women - I want the 9s and 10s.

But, I just don't approach enough at night or in the day. At night, I only ever go out with guys I enjoy being around and not PU robots, so there's never really any pressure cos I always have a good time anyway, getting drunk, banter, etc - the majority of the women I have gotten have been through them approaching me, giving me ridiculously obvious IOIs, or me having a genuine reason to approach. In the daytime, I just don't do it at all. I know, I know - 'just go out to have fun, don't put pressure on yourself' etc. I get that, and I do have fun, but I seriously must have one of the lowest approach counts of any 'PUA'!

I envy some of the guys on here who are fearless, because I see potential in myself, but just aren't fulfilling it. My question is this - when you're not desperate for sex, and have enough social awareness to realise that approaching women (especially in the daytime) is something that is genuinely considered alien in our society, how do you actually motivate yourself to approach? It's not even that I'm afriad, it just seems to be a kind of apathy and apprehension - even when it's a girl I think is fucking gorgeous - it's as if I see the steps between approach -> sex as a chore, even though most girls are actually pretty good fun!

Where r u .. are u near liverpool... i will go out with, i love openin sets... my friends have had me opening sets for them since i was 16 however they do make haste in cocking it up.

Its not only 'PU robots' who approach women, its actually men in general. Its also not alien in society for men to approach women during the daytime or evening. If anything, saying that it isn't acceptable shows a severe lack of social awareness. If you're a sociable person, you won't think twice about striking up a conversation with a random person. It may be alien for wierd people who lack confidence during the day without their alcoholic beverages, but in general I know A LOT of cool people who, if they see a girl they like, will start up a random conversation just to get to know her (night or day). I'd also like to note I hang around with zero people in real life associated to pick up.

Please don't dress up your fear of approaching women with "its not socially acceptable". If you're confident, social and comfortable with yourself, you shouldn't have too much anxiety when approaching women. Also I don't think people here approach because they're 'desperate for sex'. If I approach anyone, its usually because I need information from them or because I think they look cool and I want to get to know them better. Thats my motivation.

I'm sorry if I come across as a bit rude or unhelpful but I really didn't like the tone of your post.

You motivate yourself by asking yourself 'what do I really want out of life?' - then going out there and getting it / make it happen.

If your priorities are meet these women then this may require making changes to yourself (i.e 'be your best self'), your social circle etc.

If you keep doing the same thing you'll keep getting the same results.

And whilst there are undoubtedly some PU robots out there, I think you're generalising. Like anything you'll get some people you don't gel with, and others you will.

...just my thoughts

If you want anything from this you have to put the hours in, but damn, you've also got to like the kind of girls you're dealing with. It shouldn't be a chore, it should be f*cking exciting! If it isn't then like niknak says, perhaps you need to ask yourself what you want from all of this.

^^^You're right - I did approach a lot (comparatively!) when I was new to all this. And believe it or not - I want ir pretty badly!


Didn't say it's not socially acceptable at all, I said it was considered alien - which it is in general, especially in the daytime. Probably cos you don't know me, but I'm sure the manc guys would vouch that I'm a fairly normal chap with decent social skills - apologies for the tone of my post, I wasn't accusing people who approach a lot of being social robots if that's what you implied! And I honestly don't fear approaching, I just always think to myself, 'what's the point?', she's with friends/busy/looks down/on the phone etc, so like I said, it's more apathy than anything else.

I actually thought you and Jaz both came up with very good points, maybe you misinterpreted his response?

It probably is a lack of motivation to a degree, I think I'm a pessimist when it comes to women, I always think that, for whatever reason, it won't happen - and I don't even have low self esteem or anything like that. I think I will just have to swallow my pride and go through some rejections; something else which I've not had enough of yet either.

Get use, to your own words being manipulated,it happens a lot on here.

Someone sounds a little bitter.

Rather be bitter,than! pure Evil!!.