Ok after reading a thread i thought id post, im quite new to the forum but...

whilst i dont know all the technical jargan etc and pua stuff ive been pulling girls for years. Ill bet there are alot of guys on here who are REALLY GOOD at pick up but where ive found my MAJOR forte is

1st DATES: i litteraly get told every time

A) Wow im so comfortable with you already

B) You are the best 1st date ever

So if anyone needs any help on how ASK I PROMISE YOU I WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN

Hey Phil. Why don't you just spill the beans here? I am sure loads of the guys including myself would like to know. I can't help myself to think there's more to it than just advice if you can't just spurt it out. Afterall we are all in this together albeit maybe different reason or purpose. Peace.

Yeah Phil, why not just reel off some anecdotes and give people some pointers without feeling you need to hook people in and then get them to ask you.

It's all good mate, just talk about what you want without seeking permission from others.

HAHAH SEEKING PERMISSION LOL i suppose i was

Ok guys: here is my routine.

As soon as you meet you need to open kino, so HEY HOW ARE YOU, then when you are walking towards your next stop when walking side by side, give her fun little negs and nudge her with your shoulder as if to push her and laugh, this INSTANTLY means she keeps moving back into you, getting playfull. Then the pushes can escelate through the night... as you start to playfull push her you can pull her back in with your arm like a quick 1 second hug(MAKE SURE ONCE U PULL IN U LET GO OF THE HUG INSTANTLY). within about 5 10 mins she is happy for you to be putting your arm around coz its playfull. pushing and pulling LITTERALY

Firts off find yourself a trendy bar, A place where footballers go etc.(this will be made clear)

On their drink list they usually do a large BOWL or JUG of some sort that costs £40 - 50 which will last the 2 of you hours

get to know the staff behined the bar, order the same drink and always tip about a £10

What you find will happen is whenever u go into the bar, regardless of what football players are there... the bar staff will point you out at the back of the cue and say HAPPIN MAN WHAT YOU WANT... begging the question "who the fuck is this guy"

not only does every girl & guy look thinking WHO IS HE, I DONT RECOGNISE HIM (MYSTERY ELEMENT) it saves cuing

The make sure you DO NOT ASK WHER SHE WANTS TO SIT, take control tell her, we are sitting here.

Next step when you sit down, a little nlp "you know, i just love it in here, do you know when you just really begin to feel comfortable, and its like everything around you is unimportant, its just your here comfortable, and just can relax and have fun, u get me??"

then what i will do is maybe have some convo, maybe even talk about pua with them, DO NOT EXPLAIN YOU DO IT, but explain the concepts or nlp, anything intersting that makes you a cut above. just have fun, keep pushing and saying things like OH AS IF, YOUR LYIN whilst lightly pushing ALWAYS PUSHIN on the arms PLAYFULLY.

Then if you can get onto the subject of sex and say

YOU KNOW I FIND THAT I DONT SEE THE POINT OF SEX UNLESS YOU ARE READY, i know most people do it for the sake of doing it but i just would never unless i felt ready.. THIS WILL DESTROY HER ONLY POWER OPTION, u now become the guy who instead of watin to fuck.... she waits to fuck u guys this is golden (and by the way i learned this after fuckin some girl before i was ready i couldnt go through with it and it became true for me, i wont have sex till im ready but when i started, women started THROWING THEMSELVES AT ME)

end of the night make sure you do not try an sleep with them, if she wants to SHE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. if not i guarantee u date 2 u will fuk her.

U NEED TO LEARN HOW TO KISS PROPERLY, when ur kissing kiss like you in a movie scene GIRLS LOVE THEM they are made for womens imagination, breath heavy when kissing BUT DO IT GENTLY.

there are other stuff i do but i cant really remeber all for now but ill re post if i think of more

'Chill, enjoy, be normal. That is all.'

Amen.

Yeah that maybe the case, and to be fair, i could defiantly do that and still fuck these girls... because i agree once your on a date its pretty much closed anyway... HOWEVER, its them extra steps i take that make it, Not just a date, but an EXTRA SPECIAL DATE FOR HER...

the difference is every girl i take on a date KNOWS by the end she wants me as her boyfriend... so what you said is indeed A WAY you could behave on a date, all im sayin is what i do i have tried & tested and it makes me the TOP of the food chain. i do sit and just enjoy it, but there are a few pieces that make that girl feel like she is with the best in the bar, and like it or not women LOVE to compete with other women. Whats wrong with being the best in the place and letting everyone know. Any of these girls i take out, who are dating guys leave the other guys behind, they text me, they chase me, the fuck close me because i show them my value outweighs theirs, and i take the power of sexual controll. Not only does this stuff make for a good date but it means u have a HUGE social status whenever u are seen in your bar. i get your view on spending money, but £10 tip is A VERY VERY Low cost indeed to up your social proof and make your life ALOT easier & better. If the bartenders greet u before anyone else, it sets u up for the night

also, this stuff is me being normal, i put it into text for any guys who may be struggling, coz BEING normal may not work for them, it may sound like work because ive put in steps... but to be fair... it is just natural to me nowdays

i was only putting it across for anyone who can use a little help

And further to that point CHILLING AND BEING NORMAL is precisely the reason most people are on a PUA FORUM coz bein normal isnt workin out for them

'...most people are on a PUA FORUM coz bein normal isnt workin out for them'

Agreed, but alot of guys need to learn to be 'normal' first before hitting on women, then 'normal' will work out for them. People tend to put the cart before the horse in this community, many guys need to learn how to be 'normal' and to interact 'normally' with people and lead a 'normal' life first and foremost.

Hitting on women and expecting results when you are a social misfit is just backward.

whos arguing?

its obviously apparent that you also do well on first dates... however the thread was for those who dont. We obviously have diff approaches and i was offering a step by step guide for those who wen being themselves, gets no results.

Is that what you REALLY want? I'd prefer to get her into the frame of mind that we will be taking thnigs one day at a time, and will make sure she knows this.

For half an hour in one place... big deal. What about the rest of the time you spend with her?

Why bother uping your social proof to others. If you are genuinely good on a first date she will be uninterested in her surroundings, because you will be her focus. The interaction you have with her is what makes the date special, not the showboating.

People who are bad with girls are generally far from chilled in the company of girls. I have plenty of friends who suffer from this.

Fair play Adam, I see what your saying, and maybe Phil has pulled a girl in 3 minutes, compared to say an hour. If it's a numbers game I'm sure we can all train up in this manner.

For me it boils down to not having to pretend. I'm not gonna sell out my real self throwing money at barmen in order to impress a girl with some half baked image for half an hour. To be even more frank, the type of girls I am looking to attract ideally will not react to a 'celeb' image. She will be impressed by me, a consistent me who doesn't need to try and fake to attract. That's my aim in all of this anyway.