Adam Lyons Words of Wisdom
 

I got this yesterday in an email:


I replied:

To which "Amanda Torres" alledgedly if its her wrote:

Erm, is the response I got not just contradicting the content of the original email? Does whoever writes actually think about what their writing, care about the content or the responses, or is all they say is a plug for their product and £££?

I'm going to show my absolute neglect for everything I deem pointless and useless by saying, who is Adam Lyons?

Also, who is Amanda Torres?

In his email where he says
I can understand there that he's in a relationship but doesn't want to become rusty in his skills or what ever he does to interact with people so that's why he states 'I approach for the sake of approaching'.

I have to say though, I don't approach people all the time because they're hot, I've found that I approach just for the fun and entertainment, when I go direct it's more of because their hot but a lot of the time it's for entertainment. Maybe that's a reason to why I have a recent tenancy of not escalating or closing.


You've gotta think, he's sent the email to perspective clients, his followers, his sheep. Every company needs money.

Are you this wasnt dice. He has skewed meanings on the word cheat

Adam Lyons is an English PUA based in the US famed for his work on social dynamics......he was voted 'Worlds number 1 PUA' multiple times a few years back. Amanda is his 'wife'.

I obviously have my own negative views on PUA gurus but I don't believe he goes out and does all this approaching; its alleged he's openly admitted he has a poor success rate and is not amazing with women. He is however a very confident social converser from what I see in his videos and probably very business smart.

Just thought it was quite funny, it was almost as if I got an automated response to my email from a robot.

Approaching just because you enjoy doing it is fine. Approaching because you'd be concerned about your confidence dropping if you didn't isn't fine, and it's definitely not the same thing. You're born with balls, you don't get them from approaching. If you're worried about them disappearing just reach down and have a feel now and then.

Immerse yourself in the deep end and you can end up growing a pair.

That must be a very old email as Adam Lyons got married over six years ago and he now lives in Austin Texas with his American wife who I think he met in London. I met him a few times in London back in 2007 when he was one of the top pick up gurus in the UK at the time. His style of game at the time was indirect like most pick up gurus back then were teaching.

I tried indirect in the day and it made me feel a bit creepy. I think direct hits more times than it misses. But I realise this is a debate that will go on forever.

you can be indirect but give a slight compliment which crosses into direct. I think that works well.

I don't even think his marriage is real, wouldn't surprise me if its for marketing purposes. They're wedding video looks fake and cringy, also his "wife" hasn't adopted his surname either.

No idea if its true or not, but apparently the reason he moved to the State is that he was declared bankrupt in the UK as a result of failed stock trading and this affects his status of being a Managing Director or starting his own company for x period of time; he had to move there to continue his PUA business.

By the way Adam Lyons was one of the very few PUAs who after a few months into the PUA scene never got blown out, see this: AFC Adam Girl in the street LIVE PICK UP on TV - YouTube By being blown out I mean doesn't get strongly rejected. He did used to get blown out a lot when he was starting out though back in 2006 and early 2007. I think very few other PUA gurus have mastered the art of avoiding strong rejections.

Yeah, what you don't see is how many approaches he did where he was blown out before that successful video. For all you know that girl was paid to be in the video.

Everyone gets blown out & rejected, no exceptions.

No I have met the guy and also read his field reports on the London seduction society forums. He used to get blown out a lot during night game but he really did master game totally within about a year. He does have a degree in psychology which must help him a lot but he was voted the best PUA in the world a few years ago so he must be the real deal. Also I am talking about strong rejections not minor ones when a woman will politely decline your advances. It happens to me a lot, I think I have mastered game and get woman after woman to reacting well then for no reason a woman will react extremely angrily towards me.

Yeah, totally, if he was voted number one then he MUST be the real deal.

That means nothing at all. I've met Richard "Gambler" La Ruina and thought he was awful, "Master PUA" indeed, his trainers had more game than him!

Like most of them Adam is in this for one main thing: he's a business man - to make money.

But I have met the guy and know what he is really like. I know he is very good with women. He also knows a lot about things like social proof and uses social proof a lot in his game. i.e. he will talk to several other women first before he approaches his target. He also knows a lot about other areas of attraction like having good fashion and good body language etc. He was also on the LSS forum for about two years and loads of people from that forum have met him and know he is the real deal.

You mean he's like many regular members on here but decided to exploit guys who think "they havent got it" for their money and his own satisfaction...

Stonecastle is the new Sapmi

I could sign up to a site and go on about how I'm great with woman and spout loads of theories about xyz. Market it the right way & anyone will believe you. He has got some patter, I'll give you that. Maybe my bitterness toward PUA but I just do not believe this guy is drowning in pussy, sorry. Same goes for Gambler. Actually read domewhere that PUA Training are beginning to struggle, as is Kezia Nobles business as the "PUA boom" is beginning to burst. Of course, could be absolute horse shit and he's a millionaire shagging woman left, right & centre, who knows.

I'm quite sceptical about the PUA industry. When I was in my mid-twenties I started getting really worried about the fact I hadn't started dating girls. I looked for help but there weren't any resources available at that time. I spent money on a dating agency. £500 I think it was, which was a lot of money to me at that time. It was a con. I got one date out of that which only lasted 5 mins before she left. It only served to knock the little confidence I had.

I'm sceptical because some unscrupulous people will prey on people who are vulnerable. But at the same time at least there are more resources available now that could help some people. Even if it's just pushing them to realise they can do something that they never thought they could do, like cold approaching.

Several years after the dating agency fiasco I still hadn't started dating but I tried cold approaching a few times in bars when I was drunk. Out of that I got a ONS with one girl and another one became my girlfriend for a while, I even moved in with her for a few weeks. I don't know why I didn't continue with the approaching. It might have helped if I had known someone at that time who would say "yes it's okay to do this, and keep doing it".

Some of the characters involved are a bit weird. I don't think we should be encouraging them by giving them money. If the bubble bursts it's probably a good thing. But I think there should be help for guys who are struggling. Even just being able to find like-minded people and a wing.

Its just the same regurgatated MM & social dynamics stuff churned out over & over again. There are no "new" techniques or products. Ever. It's all been done to death.

You haven't met the guy or gone sarging with him so you don't know. Meanwhile loads of us from the LSS have both met him and done both daygame and nightgame with him!

QUOTE, from the LSS forum 2008: "Product: Adam Lyons boot camp
Price: £250

I found out about Adam through the majestic self and the channel 4 documentary. I didn’t have a clue about who any of his approach coaches were as I hadn’t been on the LSS until a week before the boot camp and I was only checking out Adams stuff to get an idea of what to expect.

Leading up to the boot camp I was very nervous as I have been aware of the community for nearly four years now but have never really used the advice outside of my social circle. On the nine or ten times that I did approach my whole conversation was routine based. The only other boot camp I have attended was nearly two years ago and they had jus switched to natural game. I used routines for virtually the whole bootcamp.

This all lead to me being very nervous the night before the Boot Camp. Was this going to be too advanced for me? I was going over thoughts like this so much that I am convinced I made myself ill. When i woke up in the morning I had a splitting head ache and my throat was swollen.

I arrived fifteen minutes late. Adam was waiting for me and immediately put me at ease. I wasn’t the only one late and it hadn’t begun. The reason I include this was at the previous boot camp I was only eighteen and felt very intimidated by the instructors during the first meeting.

Adam went through his method and frame work covering a wide variety of topics such as attraction, BL, Kino, social proof, qualification and much more. I really didn’t think I would get a great deal out of the seminar as I had read everything going. I was really looking at the demos as the key part. I couldn’t have been more wrong; I learnt so much that I wish I had recorded it. This was different, simple and to the point.

For me the best part of the weekend was practising on the girls Adam had arranged to bring to the boot camp. I was assigned an approach coach who was a great help and we took turns opening the girls in certain situations. It was very difficult as we had three different sets at once and another ten or so people watching. We received feedback both from the girls and instructors. This turned out to be the hardest part of the week end.

We went on to do street game. I was then with Dr Yen for half hour one on one while walking to the club and he also forced me into a few sets. I will post a field report of the boot camp in that section if you want to read it.
The night part was when I really knew I would be comfortable. Again I have gone into greater detail on this approach in the field report section so check it out.

The next day lived up to the first day and flew by. Adam covered fashion, inner game in a simple yet very effective way (I have already put this to use, read my field reports if you want an idea of how). Adam also covered topics on social networking, getting a cheaper phone bill and Q & A session where field reports were broken down.

Instructors:
Adam tried not to give students individual attention to be fair, so my interactions with him were mainly through the seminar, Q&A and a little infield. All the coaches were normal guys that had worked hard at this. You never got the impression you couldn’t achieve what they achieved.

Student Success:
Students of all levels attended the boot camp. Although aware of the community for so long I am a newbie really. I wanted to smash my reality and push my Kino to the limits which I did very successfully. Again read my boot camp field report for more details. The more advanced guys were either complaining about stalkers from the night before or getting so many numbers they couldn’t remember what the girls looked like! One guy came specifically for day game and f-closes girl he meets at the cash point!!! Every student pushed themselves and achieved different success unique to them and there current development.
Negatives:
I’m nitpicking here but want to give a fair review:
-Was difficult to eat as not enough tables in the pub!
-Was a bit short on instructors which meant more feedback could have been given in the night time field section (Apparently two coaches cancelled and other students may have conflicting experiences.)
-Adam has a strange obsession with ice cream and Bill Gates (He doesn’t mix these pleasures by the way!) Grin
-The food took of an hour which meant I missed the chance to help out Dr Yen. It would have been a good experience and hopefully a chance to help him close after helped me in the street.
Although Adam got are money back and we got the food free! So nothing that really impacted the boot camp, but nothing is 100% perfect!
Overall: 9/10"

First off, bullshit. No one person can talk to anyone in absolutely any situation with absolutely everyone liking them 100% of the time. Some people are crazy, some people just had their mum die, some people might have their own social anxiety and just want you to fuck off.

Second of all this kind of outlook could not be more backwards. Anyone devoting their energy to 'mastering the art of avoiding strong rejections' is a pussy and might as well just stay at home. It's all this sensitive arse 'I want to trick everyone into liking me with my clever tricks' PUA bullshit. If a guy's job is to teach people how to pull girls, then pulling girls is the only metric that matters. Rejections are fucking irrelevant.

What is the LSS forum?

No I've never done either. He seems really friendly, polite and outgoing in fairness but again - Sorry - I just don't see him as a super successful guy with woman. He does have a knack for business though. Your report of his boot camp was around 6 years ago so its pretty irrelevant now as all this stuff has been done to the 9's. If its true he's "married" also, then he wouldn't be approaching or have got laid from any other woman in around the last 3-4 years, so he can't really claim to be an awesome PUA or go on about women he's shagging in his emails.

I've got friends who know nothing about PUA & are not Master PUA guru's who would sleep with and have better success with woman than him. There's guys on this forum who will score way more than him.

He's a business man selling a product - of course all his stuff works and he gets laid every night! If I told you I could give you a formula for a winning lottery ticket every time, allow you to lose 50 stone in 1 week or build a 6 pack with minimum effort regardless of weight training or diet in the space of weeks would you believe all that also?

Come on dude - wake up. He's a sales man, a human being. He is not a mysterious God with woman. Listen to what some of the other posters are saying.

Stonecastle - irony I got this today. This is why I hate PUA gurus. At least read the first part - the rest will be TL;DR. Read this ansd tell me this isn't just pure sales, that someone could really learn 43 texts that will get them any woman, and that they will really only publish 300 copies......I hope his $7,000 VIP students got it to work.

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Nearly four months ago, it happened...

The biggest launch in PUA Training's history.

Thousands of men from all over the world
stormed the servers in an effort to claim one
of the 1,000 access passes to our ground
breaking program...

"43 Texts That Guarantee Sex"

The program sold out in just hours and ever
since then, the doors have been slammed shut.

No matter how much you offered us...

A space in the program just wasn't available.

It wasn't fun (or easy) turning away so many
guys at the gates...

But we had to ensure the results of our charter
members.

And boy did we do that.

The results came fast and furious and were
unlike those of any other program we had
released before.

Just HOURS after we launched, the first
success story hit my gmail inbox.

A 29 year old gentleman from San Jose,
California had used message 37 from the
program (and a few others that follow...) to
turn up the heat on a girl who had "friend
zoned" him for years.

He slept with her that night.

In the days that followed, dozens more emails
came flooding in.

Tales of conquests from guys who had used
the "resurrection" texts to turn old stale phone
numbers into late night romps...

Others from guys who used the naked-selfie
getting routine to get girls sending photos.

And even more from guys who were using the
quick-set method to grab numbers in seconds
and then turn them into solid hook up
prospects with a few simple messages..

Usually, when I put out a program, there's a
period of time when students are out in the
field learning and mastering the techniques.

But this time, it was different.

This time, the results were damn near instant.

And that's why I'm so excited to announce
that in just a few day's time...

We're going to get the fun started again.

You see, I've spent the past four months
working closely with the program's charter
members to ensure their success...

And now, I'm confident that these guys can
absolutely *kill it* on their own.

Which is why I'm now ready to open it up to
a new group of students.

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The Return of "43 Texts That Guarantee Sex"
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This coming Thursday, January 30th, at 2 PM
PST (5 PM eastern) we're going to be going
"live" with the program once again.

This time, because of my tightening schedule
and increased time commitments, we'll be
letting in a new class of just 300 students.

I certainly hope you'll join me.

If the rapid sell out the first time... and the
emails I get every day asking to join are any
indication of demand...

Then you're going to want to be ready when
we go live.

I'll have all of the program information for
you when we open up registration on
Thursday at 2 PM PST (5 PM eastern).

But if you want to get some background on
the program so you can decide to take part in
this ahead of time then I encourage you to
check out the piece I wrote in the lead up to
the initial program launch back in early
October.

I've republished it below for your convenience.

I'll be in touch soon

-Rich

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Republished From October Newsletter
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As you know, my life's work has consisted of
developing monumental breakthroughs in
interpersonal communication. For years I've
slaved away at my craft.

Developing rapid escalation methods...

Dangerously effective "closing" patterns...

Non-verbal arousal inducing techniques...

And more.

The goal has always been the same:

To engineer the perfect set of methods and
techniques to allow my students to take things
from first glance... to the no-pants-dance... in
as little time as possible... with the maximal
amount of consistency.

And up until the start of this year, I thought I'd
pulled the stitching as tight as I possibly could.

I thought I'd gotten the science of seduction
down to it's most pure and potent form.

(If you follow Breaking Bad... many consider
my Stealth Attraction Techniques to be the
"Blue Meth" of the Seduction World...)

But I was wrong.

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THE STRANGEST SEDUCTION
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It was early January and I'd just landed in New
York.

I'd flown over 3,500 miles to meet a man who
I was told I *HAD* to meet.

According to my good friend (and one of the
best pick up artists I know...) this guy had a
steady rotation of nearly one dozen of New
York's HOTTEST models.

What's more...

This guy hardly EVER ever left home; except
to meet up with a girl one-on-one for a drink
or to spend time at her place.

Now, in any major city you'll have a handful
of guys who go out night-after-night and put
in literally thousands of hours of work to
become a "local celebrity" and always have
*something* lined up in terms of hook ups.

But this guy was - according to my friend -
different.

And so we met.

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January 4th, 2013 9:15 PM -
THE SOHO GRAND HOTEL
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We sat for maybe a half hour, shooting the
shit, getting a feel for one another.

As I sat there, serious doubts about this guy's
seduction abilities started to creep into my
mind.

He was nice enough - sure - but NOT well
spoken.

His body language and demeanour were not
like any of the other master naturals - or even
trained PUA's - I'd ever met.

And his eye contact was off - with him
repeatedly glancing down at his phone every
few moments.

So when I saw him spring up to approach a
5'10 model-type brunette about an hour into
our meeting...

I wasn't really that surprised to see that...

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THIS GUY HAD BASICALLY NO
"GAME" AT ALL
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His opener was clumsy. He spoke too quickly.

And his body language was a mess.

And I wasn't the only one who had doubts
about him.

The girl who he was "kicking game" to looked
EQUALLY as unimpressed.

Her hips were turned away from him. The
look on her face disinterested. And it seemed
like at any moment she'd let him know that
enough was enough.

Nonetheless, he pushed forward.

He grabbed her number in what seemed to be
like a last ditch effort to make something
happen...

And as soon as he did... she hurried off to
grab her friend and move on to another
venue... without him.

Now, I've watched literally tens of thousands
of interactions.

I have a very carefully trained eye for this
stuff.

And when I say that I gave this a 1 out of 10
on the "what are his chances?" scale...

Well, that would be an understatement.

So you can imagine my surprise when roughly
an hour later he glances down at his phone,
smiles, angles it up towards me and shows
me...

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A NAKED PHOTO OF THIS
GIRL ON HIS PHONE
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...with a few smiley faces thrown in for good
measure!

WTF.

Just one hour earlier this girl was
COMPLETELY disinterested.

And now she's blowing up his phone with
naked photos.

This is something that takes most girls weeks
or even MONTHS to start doing...

And that's when they *LIKE* you!

I was in disbelief.

I asked him what the hell was going on.

And he responded with a shrug and...

"Yeah, this sort of thing happens a lot"

He began scrolling through his chat log on his
iPhone…

Showing me dozens of photos like the one
he'd just received.

And literally hundreds of text messages from
girls telling him "what they'd like to do to
him..."

And in that moment I realised what this guy
was all about.

Sure...

He had shitty body language (by PUA
standards.)

No tact in opening.

And couldn't get a girl laughing while "in set"
for his life.

But he knew how to work his text game like
I'd never seen before and this guy had literally
turned his cell into...

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A WEAPON OF MASS SEDUCTION
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I was stunned.

I mean sure, I'd heard a lot of guys talk about
being able to do crazy stuff with text messages.

But whenever I'd actually checked in to
them...

The stories were always 100x better than the
actual results.

I'd basically written off texting as a means of
attraction building, escalation, and closing.

But in that moment I realised I was wrong.

WAY WRONG.

About the whole damn thing.

The problem wasn't texting...

The problem was that no one out there who I'd
ever met (my self included) was texting the
RIGHT WAY.

And this guy had MASTERED it.

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I WAS DETERMINED TO
CRACK THE CODE
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So I started peppering him with questions.

"Why'd you send this message there?"

Again, another shrug...

"You know man, I just, send this one when
she seems like she she likes me but she's got
another guy in her life..."

And at that moment I knew that this was
going to take a while - way longer than one
evening.

So we arranged to embark on a month long
project.

We'd meet every evening after he was done
with work.

And we'd go through every text.

We'd reverse engineer everything he'd figured
out.

Catalogue it all.

If we were able to figure it out together - and
actually get it in writing so we could share it...

He'd be the guy responsible for the biggest
breakthrough our community has seen in
YEARS.

And I'd be able to give my students the most
potent seduction technology I'd ever
encountered...

Not to mention, use it for my self.

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AND SO IT BEGAN...
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Every evening, for the next month, we met.

Spending hour after hour, night after night,
poring through thousands of his text message
interactions.

His apartment looked like a mad scientist's
laboratory.

Large scrolls of white construction papers
were plastered across his apartment walls...

With notes and theories as to why it was all
working so well for him, scribbled in magic
marker every which way.

There were a lot of false starts.

A lot of things which didn't seem to line up.

He had literally HUNDREDS of conversations
going on simultaneously at any given time.

And each one of them was slightly different.

But as we went through more and more of his
text messages seductions...

It became clear.

This guy had a FORMULA

He just didn't KNOW he did.

But he had it.

And I Cracked It.

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CRACKING THE CODE
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Turns out...

This guy really only had 43 messages he'd
send.

That's it.

He'd modify them, so that he literally had
thousands of variations...

But at its core there were just 43 messages.

These 43 "types" were sitting up there in his
head...

...Put there through trial and experimentation...

And he'd simply pull the right message...

For the right type of girl...

At the right time....

And like pulling a slot machine lever, when
he'd line these three up, the responses he'd get
were almost too good to be true.

I'm talking girls asking to come over...

Sending naked pictures...

Even breaking up with their boyfriends just to
get in some time with him.

It was all so simple:

Match The Right Message...

To The Right Type Of Girl...

And Press "Send" At Exactly the right time.

Everyone else had failed because they were
sending out one-size-fits all stuff.

And while it would work on one girl out often
- it would crash and burn on the other nine.

Or, they'd intuitively figure THAT piece out...

But they'd send the message out slightly too
soon...

Or slightly too late.

Or they'd send a sex'd up message at literally
the wrong time of DAY...

And they'd fall flat on their faces.

But what this guy had figured out was to line
up all three cherries on the slot machine.

And the results were incredible.

So we went to work.

Going through every CONCEIVABLE
scenario, figuring out the "magic combination"
for each type of situation.

Party girl who has a boyfriend that you met at
a hotel bar?

Check.

Shy girl from the office who you've known for
a while but hadn't ever really spoken to?

Check.

Sporty "guy's kinda girl" Chick who you know
through mutual friends and have a thing for?

Check

It took damn near every single MINUTE of
the twenty remaining days we had together in
New York.

But we nailed it.

And by the end we had catalogued and
organised it all.

The result was literally a definitive "recipe
book" for what to send to every type of chick
- in every type of situation.

And this little "Recipe book"...

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CHANGED THE WAY I PLAYED
THE GAME FOREVER
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The past 8 months have seen my game
RADICALLY TRANSFORM.

In the past I'd spend HOURS working my
Stealth Attraction methods on a girl, slowly
turning the temperature up…

But lately, my initially interactions have been
no longer than 5-10 minutes.

I just come in, build a little trust and attraction
(which are both *VERY* easy to do) and
secure the number.

Then after that, I do practically
EVERYTHING by remote control.

All of the escalation.

All of the attraction building.

All of the intensification.

I can get done now in 10-15 copy and paste
text messages what used to take me HOURS
of skilled manoeuvring...

And the amount of high quality women who
I've been sleeping with has INCREASED.

In fact right now, for the first time in my life,
I can honestly say I have more high quality
women in my life then ever before.

I'm talking perfect 10's - with stunning
personalities - and all of the X factors that I've
been looking for these past 5 years...

And I've done 90% of the work with these text
messages.

As you know - I travel a TON, but I've
managed to steadily move things forward with
every one of them.

And right now I'm at the point where I have 3
women who I'd happily marry ready now to
commit to me and be my loyal dedicated
girlfriend.

All because of the steady stream of text
messages I've been sending them.

It's almost SCARY how well this works.

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But Does This Just Work For You Richard?
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Hell fucking no...

In fact, out of everything I've ever developed
(or co-developed)...

This is the easiest to learn... easiest to apply...

And MOST TRANSFERABLE.

Why?

Because this is NOT a SKILL SET.

It's a "cook book."

You literally look up the right answer, copy,
and paste.

That's it.

We're talking paint by numbers.

We're talking IMPOSSIBLE to fail.

It's literally like taking a test with the
ANSWER KEY laid out in front of you!

Which is why every single instructor I've
shared this material with has DOUBLED their
closing rate the same week I sent them the
"rough draft".

And my $7,000 platinum coaching clients
who I let in on this?

Exact same results.

And that's why I'm so excited.

Because I know that as soon as you get THIS
program in YOUR hands....

EVERYTHING is going to change for you.

~~~~~~End~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember...

We go live for the second edition limited
release this Thursday at 2 pm PST... 5 PM
eastern.

Be ready to act quickly because this is going
to be one of those "you snooze you lose" type
of situations.

Rich

I didn't want to do this but here we go.

Stonecastle is a retard, like a real one. I wouldn't bother trying to discuss, reason, debate or argue with him.

Stonecastle
What the fuck man! - If you could actually open your eyes and listen intensively to what you are saying, you'd realize how much of a deluded weird idiot you're been.

Nothing will get you a 100% success rate. Not a 20" cock, not some magic 'pay me money and I will give you' line, not some designer dress sense, nothing. There are so many variables to take into account.. she won't cheat on her bf/ she's a virgin and thinks you're creepy as fuck/ a strict religion/ her daddy does it for her/ she's just had a major fucking gangbag and she's sore as fuck/ on and on and on... 100% success doesn't exist, no 2 women are exactly the same, logistics change, variables outside your control change. That's thousands of possibilities right there and not all of them lead to sex. Fact.

Sales pitches are meant to capture the attention, therefore you are going to hype shit up and in turn hype yourself up by being something your not. Fact.
Far as I'm concerned, people that financially exploit the weak and weary guys that don't know any better in order for personal gain are more fucked up that their students.

I'm quite new to the community. But I suspect it's like a lot of things that start of underground and move into more mainstream culture. All sorts of 'entrepreneurs' start jumping on the bandwagon to make a fast buck. Many are fakes.

I find some of Tyler's stuff helpful because as he says, "there's no tactic". The core of his idea is based on the premise that your identity is largely formed by the social feedback you had growing up. Once you realise this and stop preventing yourself from changing (the old ingrained thought and behavioural patterns) you can see positive changes as a result. If you make the effort.

As you become more comfortable with yourself as you want to be you become more attractive to girls without any tricks. But you can't make people like you. Some people will like you and some won't. You have to accept that fact. The main thing to learn I think is just not to get in your own way and fuck up the opportunities you have with girls who do like you. I see that as being my problem anyway.

Despite what you may think, I don't go around humiliating people. But if he's going to go around advertising gurus a d make all these lame OTT comments then I got to out him.

I was told by someone who does know him or been told about him by others who do know him. He is, in a literal sense, socially retarded. Maybe genuinely autistic I don't know. He's a joke on the LSS forum, more than Sapmi was on here. Imagine Sapmi times sixteen. . . Seriously.

And with that, acting like authority rather than to learn and seek knowledge. Which is what pisses me off.

Ah the good old days. I recall me and Hustler meeting up with him for some night game, needless to say, it was the last time. He was fucking weird.

I just checked out 2 of his threads just now to reminisce. Both began with 'I've not been gaming for a while now'. The promise of a new tomorrow always there.

I never said anything about getting a 100 per cent success rate! All I said is that I have met Adam Lyons and know he is really good with women for sure. His main tactic is social proof where he will invite a few female friends out with him when doing night game or in day game will talk to other women first before the woman he wants. He really does know a lot about attraction. He wouldn't have risen to the top of the PUA scene if he was crap and couldn't get laid much. Maybe his success isn't as good as he claims but he can get a few women, at least enough to be considered a top PUA.

Wow are you saying, for the first time, that Adam might not be as godly as you perceive him to be!?

Stonecastle you make me seriously reconsider the right to free speech.

Having to rely on a tactic by having to have other women out with you to attract even more women is pretty bad. Why doesn't he just be himself and tell them his passion for dungeons & dragons and that he went bankrupt in the UK?

Let me just go grab my popcorn...

No that is not bad as it is a tactic that works! He has a university degree in psychology so he knows that social proof works! He knows that it makes gaming chicks far easier. This whole "just be yourself" bollocks comes from people outside the pick up artist community who think that women will like you whatever you are without you having to do any work on yourself. But if you think about it all the guys who attract a lot of women by being themselves are not the average guy, but people like pop stars, TV personalities and famous footballers, people who have got a lot going for them. The average guy will have to work on himself a lot to become attractive to women.

What a load of twaddle. It's great to work on yourself but if your seriously think that women don't fuck average guys and that you have to do all this fake shit to get laid I just feel bad for you.

Also, having a degree in Psychology does not mean you automatically get people. And it's also a massive act of faggotry if you have to have a bunch of other girls with you to be able to pull.

He probably has to buy them drinks all night just to sit there with him to make him look wanted. Sad.

All of us have gone through the stage of games, tactics, psychology finger rooting and magic tricks. I did, and most of us on this forum have. That aside, one thing I do have to say though is Stonecastle, you need get your head out your ass, wake up! I will not go into all the things which are wrong with you but think of it this way. What your doing is using a mask, let's call it the Style/Mystery/Adam Lyons/Gambler mask. You are not them and as hard as you try, you will never be them. Yes they have game, but their game works for them, each one of the above has a life hobby, something which defines them, something which makes them "attractive". Style: writer, Mystery: magician, Adam Lyons: video producer and Gambler: club promoter. Each one of their styles is different and works well for them. Copying them does not sort out the stem of a problem.

Stop enforcing their way on everyone especially on this forum. If you've learnt to understand the main population of this forum, you'll understand that all of us are no longer apart of the conventional pre 2008 game scene. Instead we are a self improvement forum with a focus on chatting to women. Not a "use x line and you'll get laid 85% of the time" or even "if you touch her in these 3 locations in order it will make her more comfortable with you".

Dude, adapt to what this forum is desired for or go somewhere which will understand and work with you better. i.e. Love Systems, pick-up-artist-forum.com etc*.

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you don't know what the hell I am talking about! I am talking about instead of being a fat lazy, unkempt slob, getting down the gym and working out, buying some nice stylish clothing, getting a good haircut and washing yourself more regularly. Inother words trying to look the business instead of looking like a Rab C Nesbit clone.