Well here's what we do know:

1. You've been going out and chatting to girls for around 30 years. At least according to you. Personally I think you're talking shit. If you were consistently going out for that long you would have managed to somehow pull once at least by accident.

2. You've never pulled. You've paid for sex a few times but that's it.

3. The one example we've seen of your game is your online profile. And it's terrible. It's depressing to read and look at. Bell Jar level depressing. Plus you would send hundreds of copies of the same message and whine about not getting results instead of getting creative and changing your shit up.

4. You've not taken anyone's advice on this.

5. You instead make excuse after excuse after excuse about how you can't get laid, not because it's your fault, but because of a bunch of bullshit external stuff. Girls won't see past my looks, online dating doesn't work. Anything except yourself! Pity party, pity party, wah, wah, wah.

We know you have no game because your profile, your ideas and your results reflect that. We know it's a problem of attitude because your attitude sucks.
Look, I get that it's tough. It was tough for me too, along with a bunch of other people on the forum. The difference is we know that the responsibility to change lies with us, and that whining about external stuff that's beyond your control does NOTHING. The world doesn't owe you shit. The world won't change for you, so YOU HAVE TO. We're being harsh because we've seen this a bunch of times, and we're trying to shock you into the reality of the situation and get you on the right track.

This goes for looks as well as game. Stop kidding yourself, get some advice, tidy yourself up. Then let the excuse go and shut the fuck up about it. Bad looks are not an excuse. People far worse off than you manage to get laid. Stephen Hawking left his wife for another woman. Man up.

People like Adam Lyons won't do this because they don't give a flying fuck. Their interest in you is financial and they don't really give a shit if you change. They just want you to spend your money on their brand of flashy tricks and send you on your way. It's fine to need improvement, we all did at some point. But getting all defensive and trying to make excuses won't do anything except keep you where you are.

Can a mod check if this guy is real and react accordingly, this has gone on for too long. And although it is helping us understand our journeys alot better, it is tiring attempting to force a guy which may not be real

It's time to stop talking to him.

No I am not talking shit at all because I have really been going out for over 30 years to meet and try to get off with girls! But have consistently failed to get off with any! I put it down mainly to my bad looks!

I did a lot of night game when I was a lot younger but never got anywhere with that and also did a lot of day game from when I was in my mid twenties onwards. I started off doing day game in places like libraries and record shops to start with.
The later on the street and at in parks etc. For most of the time I went out to meet women I didn't read any books on the subject so probably that was another reason I did so badly. The first book I ever read on pick up was in 1991 and I had a browse through this book which came out in 1989 when I saw it in a bookshop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Girl-Chasing.../dp/0207163146
I think I would have done better with women many years ago if I had teamed up with a wing. I met a mate of mine in the central library in Stoke on Trent where I used to live in the early 1990s who was also doing the same thing. I should have told him we should team up together to help each other out. But back then I didn't know that it was a big advantage to team up with a wingman.

By the way it wasn't until late 2006 that I started searching for books on pickup and eventually came across the seduction community. That was because I knew I must have been doing something wrong if I had failed with girls for so very long. I think if I had come across seduction literature 30 years ago I would have had some success back then. I think some of my early mistakes were failing to use a time constraint, over complimenting girls on their looks and making the close seem too much like asking them for a date rather than asking them for an informal second meeting. Because often I would use the word date in the closing. Instead I should have said something like "how about meeting up for drink sometime I know a really nice pub nearby here, it would be nice to chat to you again as I think you are quite interesting".

How many women do you reckon you've approached? Lets say for example it was 1 a week, thats 48 woman a year. So over 30 years that amounts to say 1,440 women? And your saying you've had no success at allin 30 years? You must be really, really bad at this. Yes, your looks may not help and can be a disadvantage. But a confident, assertive, secure and sure of himself man would definitly have had some success. Instead of going back and fourth on this forum I advise you try the following:

1. MAYBE THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT ITS YOUR ATTITUDE AND YOUR PERSONALITY THATS THE PROBLEM? ARE YOU A REALLY SELF CONFIDENT, OUTGOING GUY WHO IS HAP;Y WITH HIMSELF AND NOT NEEDY OR SCARED TO GO FOR WHAT HE WANTS, OR ARE YOU THE OPPOSITE? MAYBE LOOK ON IMPROVING YOUR "INNER GAME"?

2. You've been doing this for 30 years. You must have one hell of a thick skin to go through all that rejection, I appluad you. But you fucking suck. Give up - its clear you were not born to do this, or its clear you just haven't really looked at where your going wrong or what you can change to improve your results. Give up and find another hobby.

I still think you're talking shit. I guarantee your definition of going out looks nothing like mine. When you say you've been going out consistently for 3 years, how often do you mean? Every day? How much do you get done when you go out. If you just keep getting rejected and you're doing in London you should be able to bang out at least 10 approaches in under half an hour. Do you do that? Do you make regular attempts to push your comfort zone and challenge yourself? Or do you just wander round for a few hours and occasionally hit up girls who are sat down on their won with the same tired ass shit you've been using for ages. If you tried harder you'd get laid. That damn simple.


Aside from this, you yet again missed my point. You took the least valuable thing I said and latched on to it as a way to dodge the issue. Stop blaming other shit and whining because you don't get results. Like I said, people who look worse than you have done it, and they got their by changing themselves and improving, not by feeling sorry for themselves and blaming external factor. So man the fuck up.

But you don't want to do that. So why the fuck are you even here?

The guy is a proper retard. Not "Oh hey thats craig he's a bit of a 'tard", I mean he has real mental issues. I've been told by people who knew people who know him. Why are you all debating with him? Only on a PUA forum will everyone get one-up-manships and ego-boosts of arguing and lecturing a fucking spaz! This guy cannot ever 'learn' this. In the same way down syndrome kids can't wipe that stupid smile off their faces. Do you guys go around shouting at them for that?

Im being nice, in a mean way.

And Broadsword aren't you in a similar boat as him? You're obviously not a social retard like this guy with whatever disorder he has but not in a position to be lecturing him on this stuff.

This is what he wants to happen, can u not see. Don't hate on each other. We can all agree he's a fucking yard now give up on him stop rebumping this, seriously its stupid and brings out the worst of us.

Just trying to help, in the same way people on here have done for me.