So is it this thought that really stopping you from approaching round the Quay?

You're right :P

I always wonder whether in a smaller town you're being tracked by some bored CCTV operator looking for anything suspicious (wish I hadn't watched the film Red Road). In a big city there's so much crime going on they probably don't have the time to watch for weirdos.

The next time your down at the Quay, approach a girl you find attractive and speak to her then, don't walk around like a weirdo

I'm reviving this thread because I don't think we had a proper debate. The guys on this forum who slag off forum daygamers because they feel weird about it. Why is it that you think it's wierd...just askin.

I think approaching a girl in broad daylight when you are sober takes confidence and courage. So what's bad about that?

With either it's all about your mentality. As said before, if you like going out then night game is better. With day game, as said before, if you feel weird about it then it will be weird. If you think 'I'm gonna have fun, and meet new people', that is a different mindset.

Ultimately, it is best to chat girls whenever, and wherever, to find out your preference!

Steering a car with your feet takes confidence and courage. I doesn't make it a smart idea.

I don't think doing day game is weird or makes you a weirdo, but I'd be lying if I said I understood why people do it. The only legitimate reason I can think of is to save money and avoid hangovers.

There's a few littler reasons why I think going out at night is way better, but the main reason is because I always assume that most people are doing this go get laid primarily, not just boost their courage and collect numbers.

With night game the process generally goes:

Go out --> Chat to girls ---> take a girl home ---> get laid

With night game taking a number is really just a plan b worst case scenario thing if the logistics are ridiculous or impossible. Then you can meet a girl the next day or whatever and have sex then, and you've already had a good few hours on the night to get comfortable with it.

As far as I can tell it goes like this with day game:

Go out --> Chat to girls ---> get a girl's number --> text a girl and arrange a date ---> meet girl on date and hang out --->take a girl home ---> get laid

and that's assuming you get laid on the first date. It just seems so fucking inefficient and time consuming to me. Maybe if you wanted to just do 20 minutes a day for practise or something, but spending hours wandering round trying to get girls numbers in an attempt to get laid just seems silly.

Yes, 'weird or not' is too subjective. Looking at it from an efficiency point of view is one way and helpful. We need to use time efficiently. At my age I'm not into wasting any of it.

There's another aspect of game which is to do with growing your self-confidence. Self-confidence is your belief in your own abilities to handle certain situations (self-esteem, as opposed to self-confidence, is your belief in whether you are loveable, worthy of someone spending time with you, etc. Two different concepts. You can be self-confident but have low self esteem but that's unusual, the two are closely linked).

Daygame certainly pushes the envelope for most guys in terms of the risk of getting a bad or unexpected reaction and confronting their worst fears in relation to approaching women (or any stranger). In reality the worst rarely or never happens. But it's good to actually prove that in the field. Test it out and see what happens.

I can totally understand that mindset. If you perceive yourself as being shy and want to change your idendity you could be driven towards daygame as it forces you to confront the fears that have maintained your condition (which may have reduced your enjoyment of life in general). Confronting your fears is a major step in overcoming them.

Looking at it from a woman's perspective I don't know. I think it's so rare that a woman gets a compliment in the street that it would be hard to define it as a problem unless we had 10's and teams of daygamers roaming around shopping malls and that doesn't happen..yet. I don't think it will either. It's a specialist branch of P.U.A.

Daygame is a very lonely place to be. Why would anyone want to be in that place? I think that's why it can be perceived sometimes as being almost anti-social. But if someone gets into a natural method with daygame I think it's quite a pure form of pickup. Just my opinion.

To kind of qualify that opinion, I've been in the loneliest place I've ever been...a boxing ring, so has Dan. A few of you guys have done MA. Johnny Berba, one of London's natural daygame coaches was also a boxer in his twenties. I think the connection is that at the end of the day, as a man you are alone really. Women are never alone, that's why they are so good socially. It's built into their DNA. We struggle to learn it. The sooner you realise that and face up to it, the better. Be content with being alone.

To me the great thing about meeting women (the right kind) is you don't feel alone anymore. To me that's what pickup is all about. Being disrespectful to women couldn't be further from the truth. It's about celebrating them.

I would add to the debate but it never gets anybody anywhere and I find it hard to relate to that phase anymore. I don't think DG is wrong with 'newbies' but this idea of having discussions with people who are contributors to the forum is embarrassing

I know one or two normal DG'ers on here.