How do you escape friendzone?
 

Will make it short and to the point

-Meet girl
-Mutual attraction
-Sleept together a few times, until she said she wants more
-Told her I really like her but im not ready to start something serious because of my recent break up ( well not so recent but yeah )
-Didn't see each other for a month
-Started contacts again and seeing her again, she said she likes me as a person and wants to be friends
-Keep seeing her, she sms me often (i reply alot too, act too available, not sure why but my mistake I realize it now)
-Start liking her more and more... so now i want more
-Hint I might like her more than a friend ( not in a way that she would know for sure ) and she said that I hope I understand we are just friends, she likes me but isn't attracted to me anymore like before ( so we have comfort, trust but lack of the attraction aka sexual tension at this point )

Whats my best options at this point to break out of the friendzone?

U Cant. Move on.

Why even bother replying if you do not offer any substance apart from "u can't".
I opened this topic to get feedback from people on what the best way would be in order to achieve my goal, even if its very hard to achieve.

Buy her flowers, obsess over her and listen to her guy problems.

I thought this forum would be helpful but obviously I was wrong.

Move on. That is the answer.

There is another option though. . .

Theres alot of articles about how to handle the friendzone, so why would there be no options apart from moving on?

What do they say?

Every scenario is different, in this case you've already had the moment where it could have progressed more from the 'friendzone'. There is always the possibility of getting out of it again, but its going to be really tough and not really beneficial to your progress as a person. The best and most beneficial solution here is as it has been stated to move on, you need to be able to say to yourself that this route isn't going to work and find gratification elsewhere. I'm not saying its easy, I still struggle with it myself but as an observer it is actually easier said than done. But it doesn't stop it being right.

Dice has VIP tickets to the friend-zone.

HOw many of these articles do you need to 'subscribe' to?

the answer is. if you are in the friend zone and trying to move out of it... ur already a loser in ur own head. Getting women needs to come from a place of emotional stability with no need for a specific outcome.

If your aim is to make things happen and get the girl, it wont happen, coz u will spend hours watching the clock waiting for the precise time for the perfect phone call.... 7 days will seem like a lifetime, whilst that same week will pass her by like a raindrop...

making ur whole aim in life about a girl for any period of time is bad for ur health and self esteem.

SO MOVE ON!

Get more girls.

I have quite a few options open, i just dont like them as much.

Well get different options then ;)

Most of these articles you see are affiliate marketers or poeple who are pushing their own products. Their advice isn't impartial. Thy're basically there to tell you what to hear so they can eventually get you to buy their shit. What you're getting here is impartial advice from experienced people. We've seen this kind of problem a lot of times, and had similar situations ourselves.

The simple fact is that regardless of whatever daft technique or set of ideas you read in an article somewhere and try to use, you're still coming at from the wrong perspective. You're the needy one right now trying to get something out of her that it sounds like she can take or leave, and no matter what you do she'll be able to tell. You'll give it off very subtly in the way you behave. Girls can smell that shit and they have no damn interest in it.

So you really have two options:

1. Man up and take control of the situation. Realise she's nothing that special, go out, find new girls, live your life and have fun. You'll be a lot happier and more attractive to women that way. Then if she wants more again sometime great, if she doesnt then whatever. Plenty more where that came from.

2. Stay at home listening to RnB ballads of the 80s, browsing through the internet looking at articles written by charlatans on how to convince this girl to fuck you some more. This one will make you much less happy, get you laid a lot less and cost you a bit more dignity.


You're in too close right now to realise there's a ton of better girls out there you can get. Don't be a mug over some girl mate. Good luck.

great post, you really opened my eyes, thank you.

Where are these articles Bbboy? I want to see what they say.

Thats the first time ever on this forum i've seen good advice taken.... and just ....

... well basically just accepted.

Kudos.

Glad to help mate, makes it worth doing.

well theres alot, just google "how to get out of a friendzone"

It appears as such. You and her slept together and got pretty hot n' heavy like in the movie "The Notebook". There was nothing really more you were willing to "offer" her when she wanted more. She then probably felt and said to herself something like this

"This is going no where except sexually. I want more-emotionally, intellectually However this boy can't or won't offer me more than his wee wee. I am going to stop it now and will only be his friend. I feel cheap and self-worthless. I can get a dick anywhere, but a mind/spirit, worldliness is hard to find. BOO HOO! FUCK HIM as a LOVER even, I will just be his friend".


See this?

Learn to offer "Value" to women that is emotional, spiritual, practical, intellectual, metaphysical and they will only want to be with you. In fact women today after 2-3 lays get bored and want more after that. They can get a dick anywhere chief, so be a dick with some brains and personality


Omar
www maaximumseduction com

then your not doing it right.

I cant even begin to explain how far mine and your opinion of interaction and approach to women differ.

Phil, stop using absolutes like "right or wrong". Remember all is subjective and open to interpretation and personal definition. Secondly, based on my countless seductions of women over many years, 100% of the women that I shagged as you would say or even got a blow job from, or even dated me told me that what attracted them to me was my worldliness, masculinity, dominance, charisma, confidence, sense of humour, wit, intelligence and such on top of my ability as a lover.

I am simply telling you what women have said. They also said that regardless of how good a guy is in the sack, if he lacks a sense of humour, is unintelligent, unambitious, doesn't teach them anything, doesn't have worldly knowledge, isn't educated then they would sidecast him. I tend to agree.


Would I even want to call myself as a MAN or one with GAME if all I have to do is stick out my mushroom tip and get a girl. That in my mind would mean that, that little tart is too easy to get and hence would not reflect any type of genius, maestro like prowess or ability on my part. On the other hand, If you have to demonstrate much more than that, weed out the competition that want her and display a tactful, genius like ability like Chris Weidman did over the weekend to beat out Anderson Silva at UFC 162, then that means 2 things. 1. She is a high quality woman who wants more than another manboy, fratboy whose "claim to fame" is his "shagging ability" and 2. You have fuckin GAME


Do me a favour, ask 10 women this question.

"Got a question for you. If all a guy was, was good in bed and didn't have anything else to offer you_great conversation, he wasn't interesting, he wasn't educated, worldly, nor was he a good conversationalist, he didn't really teach you things, show you new experiences, get you to grow, etc would you want to date him or would you eventually discard him after a while, after using him for sex a few times, if that?"


I will tell you that I have already asked this question to 1000s of women who all told me that a guy like that is a manboy or a fratboy that they wouldn't even give the time of day to or some women who are a bit more promiscuous would maybe use him for sex a few times, but then would get bored of him if he didn't have anything else to offer . A real man is both hot, masculine, dominant but also debonair, worldly, intelligent, successful on all levels, etc.


Cheers

They are called Fuck Buddies... Ive had countless numbers of them. Granted about 3 months in they become emotional and fall for me...

they don't cast me aside tho... its usually the other way around.

Also, i would never ask leading questions like that...

I can tell u i know if you say to a girl...

Would u fuck bradley cooper?? most would say yes, and none of them know his personality.

I think you are still stuck in the mindset that u think girls know what they want... they don't, in fact most girls say all they want is a guy who treats em right, yet they chase the guy who doesn't and cast aside the 'Friends' who want nothin more than to treat em good.

WOMEN DONT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT SO ASKING THEM QUESTIONS LIKE THAT IS A WASTE OF TIME.

the answer to this

its easy for a woman to give you an answer that she instantly conjures in her mind with her logic brain.

Try asking her the same question about a guy who has given her 8 orgasms a day and she cant stop thinking about his arms and the fact he chokes he with her own underwear.... and her emotional brain has kicked in.

see if she is assed about how worldly he is then.

Its all about creating emotion... if u really wanna be an asset to women, learn how to make them addicted to u

I am not into fuck buddies. That is a bit lame. Women are passed that. I had enough of them. I am a bit older and mature and so do the women I date. When I was in my 20s going for women that were that same age, they would only be concerned with a good lay but as we grow, our priorities and requirements change. In fact even younger women want a guy who has more than a mushroom tip. Also don't forget there are a lot of "Low self esteem, low value women" that are attractive. They will fall for a guy because they are emotionally immature, juvenile, uneducated, needy. Don't ever think a good looking girl has high self esteem and such because of her looks. That is a fallacy. A true 10 is only that because she thinks and feels it via attitude and not by mere physicality.

Listen, I love more than anything and any guy in the world to plant my mushroom tip inside of a woman's throat and sugar walls and women love it when I do, but in all honesty I would be bored and so would they if that is all that existed between us.


A high quality woman also doesn't fall for a guy simply because he is good in bed. She requires 100 times more. If a woman falls for a guy based on a shag or two, then she is nothing to brag about "acquiring". I have a Warrior in me , which comes from the fact that I have gone through hell and back to launch and own 2 globally successful businesses and also transform my body into a UFC fighter in the making. I want to know that I had to work my ass off, play my cards right, exhibit logistical genius;prowess, 100 traits to get a woman as that means I have "real fuckin' Warrior like GAME" and 2 the woman I just got was worth it. I don't like easy, whorish, dumb ass tarty little farty women that fall for me simply because I fuck them right. I had a few last month and had to cut it off. I get super bored easily and so do the women I deal with.


Thanks for sharing your perspective however...


BTW I added that workout/meal plan to the other section. Knock yourself out brother!

But most guys are... thats kinda what PUA is for...


PUA is to teach guys to get the girl interested... the rest is just their personality isnt it?? and u cant teach a personality thats done through finding yourself.

Its naive to say a woman is dumb for falling for a guy for whatever reason.

I remember a girl i know, i was like 21 ish....she had fucked well over 1000 guys. I was sat with her and her BF and he obv didnt know about her past

he goes, 'i cant believe i found a girl as good as her"

she told me she liked him so she made him wait a month, and now he thinks she is a good girl...

Ur a fucking idiot if you don't think all girls are the same.

Thanks for sharing your perspective again!

You two need a room

Dont be gettin jel

Try telling that to the girls I'm banging on rotation at the mo :hihi:

Dude, I know 10 year olds that have more action that you just stated. Having a few girls that you are banging is like telling the world, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Nothing to write home about.
Try having 2 girls suck you off regularly
Try having married/attached women consistently sending you dirty texts
Try getting 90% of the women you bring back to your pad, gag, choke on your cock until bile like, pukey spit gets strung out of their noses and throats, danggling from your cock and balls, you spitting on their faces, smacking them, calling them a dirty whore.
Try having 30-40 girls back to your pad, in the last 2 months within hours, max a day of meeting them all of them wanting to get down
Try launching an adult site, which I did back in 2004 called Maaximum Butts, which rivaled the best of 'em on Google. I was # 2 on Google and did many POV (That is point of view) for your pornobaters on here. I had 150 models which I "poached" and procured myself, using my God given talents, communication skills, sexual charisma/prowess, intelligence, etc. I didn't pay them much either, maybe $40 -$60 dollars for a site that made a compound multiplication of that. I had sometimes 2-3 girls in a day, one girl sucking me off in the car. Then drop her off. The next girl , me playing with her tits, making out then dropping her off and then another girl getting fucked by me.
I also worked with world renown Fetish models/porn actresses like Monika Maple and Katrina B, look her up. She is a Russian porn star and did work with Rodney Moore who won the AVN award multiple times. I have a stream of women in/out of my apartment consistently. In fact I have had to slow it down as I would have sometimes 2-3 hot play partners in a day. I still continue to have this type of legendary social life but have been wanting to do other things that expand my brain.

I have had more ass on these hands and more throats on my cock and more women doing the nastiest, dirtiest, filthiest things to me and for me that would make you feel like you are sloppy droopy eyed little boy in comparison.

It's funny, when I hear guys say, I fucked that girl or I ate her pussy.
So what. My parents do that. My sex life is 10000000000000000000000000 notches much more kinky, dirty, progressive, experimental, exciting as I vary it up and also seduce a woman's mind and engage her emotions.

I wish there was a place on this fucking forum where I could post videos/images, is there?
I will bombard this motherfucker with my exploits and she ye how it is done Maaximum Style!

BTW the trainers we have are all world renown PUAS and have spoken at the PUA SUMMIT, PUA CONFERENCE WORLD WIDE
Check out our trainer bios and you will see that our men, are a militia and army of the top PUSSY MAGNETS on this PLANET
and to be honest our bootcamps are exploding through the roof, worldwide.


My point is this. Banging is for kids.
Sex is boring if that is all you can do, are into and are giving a woman.

I am a dirty, kinky, dominant, Max Hardcore type of lover and the women
that I meet and play with have to be. They have to be into slimey, sloppy BJ
deepthroat, facefucking, name calling, ass smacking, hair pulling and stuff
In addition to the traditional acts of cunnilingis and coitus that most sissy boys
are used to.


Trust me son, I had a few videos on xtube.com and pornhub.com that would make
99% of men look like little faggots and punk ass man sissy boys if they saw what
I did to women and what women allowed me to do to them and did for me with pleasure.

So enough of your "I am banging a few girls on rotation shit okay"

That is for toddlers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Also if you want to know what I do, call me
647 955 0494. There you go, anyone on here, who has a question, a doubt about me, call me. Anyone can hide behind a gay ass picture, not using their own and talk big. I walk the talk.

What has any of this 'I did a porno' got to do with teaching guys game?

This brings us full circle, Phil is stuck in the friendzone with Alpha

NOVA, call me if you want to know what I do or Skype with me. ANYONE ON HERE
I am here to be transparent, be upfront, show myself and have an honest, mature, manly discussion. I only am a part of a few PUA forums like the casanova crew, the pick up artist forum, seduction science and few others, I have such an amazing reputation on there. Although I do appreciate all forums are different and that this one perhaps has a different format and type of membership, I do find that it is very hostile and filled with "Flame war starters and fight mongrels". Also I would like for all to use their own pic and be open and upfront about sharing their contact info as I am. I have nothing to hide, nor does my outfit and can walk my talk and will die to defend my code of honour if I have to.

Most men on here or generally are a bunch of wastes of beta sperm in comparison yet they come on here and have a loud voice.

I don't appreciate or have any respect for that. I am exiting this forum but leaving with a thanks for the discussions and some of your rhetoric but really it is a waste of my time.

There is not even a place to post videos/pics?


So there you go Nova and anyone else, my number 647 955 0494. Would you like my Skype also ? I would love to speak to all of you on it so we can clarify just who I am and who you are in the most civil way. Anyone up for that challenge?


I have also thrown out challenges on facebook calling out all of the other faggot PUA outfits , gave my number, a place to meet me in Toronto so I can challenge anyone on street based, cold approach seduction and not one Faggot ass bitch ass man boy called me.

HMMMMMM! This is getting boring for me. Gotta eat my post workout meal now!


AHHHH Just farted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am bored with this ....

Chill.

You can post videos and photos on here.

This forum is marketing-free. You market'ed your product so people will be skeptic on here.

This forum is like an intermediary for meeting up with one another rather than a place for people to post-n-boast about their ideas and shit.

Also your constant referrals to being better than 'betas' and everyone else, are you saying that to us or yourself?

Again your feelings seem to get hurt pretty easily for someone who claims to be so amazing at this shit. Above is a prime example, Nova barely said a thing to you there and you flew off the handle. It screams of insecurity. Plus the advice you've given and the examples of your game that we've seen have been basic and/or shite. You come across as being full of shit mate.

That's not really the point though anyway. Even if you had the best game in the world I'd still want nothing to do with you. Practically every time you post it just descends into you bragging about yourself, and whenever any of the regular posters disagree with you or call you out on something, you end up getting all defensive and start banging on about yourself some more with a few spiteful condescending insults thrown in. So basically, I don't give a toss about your game. Ultimately you just come across as a bellend.

It really is becoming tiring now...

Im sure banging a few girls is better than regular sucks

Why are you even allowing this, where is ur morals?

Seems a little graphic, a chew would do

Can someone find me the statement (kowalski) where he claimed he doesnt do dumb whore chicks... yet he is now talking bringing porn stars...

telling a porn start u can get her a job does not count as "gettin a girl back to you apartment"

and furthermore, if ur only closing 90% of porn stars for a porn site... u have problems.

Really??? do u know me??? i can assure u ... u haven't.

U just did the same thing... and now u have gone from porn stars to honest women... ur chatting bad shit.


Stop talkin about it and do it...

Really?? why coz u think a ball gag makes u a sicko???

I see u havent mentioned pissing on girls, or inside them???

WOW YOU NAME CALL??? HAVING SEX!!!! And ...Wait... You smack assed??? and u get sloppy blow jobs???

My sex cupboard consists of a 12 inch machete, zip ties... balaclavas... bed restraints, PVC sheets... and an array or shit i use to petrify and destroy my bird... the shit ur talkin about i was doin at 16.


No you trust me... ur transparent with ur need to talk. Maybe u feel super confident in yourself... and you feel top of the world...

but u sound like me with my first business i run.... telling the world i was a 'Director' but let me tell u something, i met all the same people on the way down as i did on the way up..

so now i keep my success under wraps... coz nobody gives a fuck about what u have got... or achieved. Stop tryin to impress a bunch of guys on a website...

you sound weak.