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Default Diary of a trainee pickup artist aged something and 3/4: Pt 2 - 22-08-2009, 03:36 PM

Howdee,

Back in my pink dress. Way to go. Haven't updated because of internet troubles, but soon will have proper broadband! Can't wait bro's..so in with the show..

Sat:16th Aug to Fri 21st August

I was an approaching machine last Saturday at the Ritz. We'd gone to Karaoke just before. I generated a lot of attraction, but still hadn't gone forward. At the end of the night, I was frustrated...I felt something was missing. Like after I've made the effort to hype myself up and put my self into state, attraction is abundant but results were sparse.

I took a decision...Lets get back to basics!! I started to read some Alex Blogs (RSD) especially outer game. I know that you shouldn't worry about "moves" and techniques when you're out in field.

Rant 1:

The PUAs here who have had success, have already got an amount of success "reference experiences". So they have strong success neural pathways. So they can have success without thinking much. It's like driving a car. If you drive, do you may much attention to changing gear etc? No you do it without thinking! Learner drivers have to consciously think about changing gears. Now when you give newbies, or people with little success experience the advice not to worry too much about using techniques I think it becomes the case of pin the tale on the donkey.

For me I needed some more solid techniques, just to get off the ground a little, so I can analyse mistakes I made. Up till now I have thought "shit I was in state I wasn't thinking, I was enjoying the moment, and yet I didn't pull, what mistake did I make?" Do I go and read Mystery method! No way! Too complicated. I just needed some simple steps to move me closer to success. So as mentioned, I read Alex's blog and listened to RSD "foundations"

Wow, I've been making some mistakes! It may be obvious to you guys who are good, but these had to be pointed out!

1) Group management. I think I was doing OK with this already. I am a friendly guy, the friends usually like me.

2) Isolation: my first big fuck up! I've now learned a few techniques to have more 1 on 1 time with the target. You guys know I've fucked up with this alot.

3) Vibing/Qualification: I have NEVER really done this! When I know I've built attraction, all I need to do is to let the conversation go a bit deeper.

Hopefully these three extra parts will up my game alot. Once I practice these, then I won't have to think as much! But..alas these steps seem obvious! I remember having deep conversations with my ex Mrs on the first night! With the last F-Close I had (6 months ago) there was qualification going on there (music taste!)....

Rant over:

Monday 18th August:

Met up with Shak at Opus.. Pushed myself to interact. I was more positive because I knew I had some more game "ammunition". Totally forgot this for a moment. Got a very good interaction with two girls. I kind of screwed it up a little with the friends and not isolated. What was bad is that I forgot to isolate! What was good was that I remembered I'd forgotten after the interaction!

(whatever you guys think, I reckon, for me anyway, it's good to have moments of "Oh fuck! thats what I did wrong, douchebag!" it means you're learning)

Friday 22nd August:

I would not recommend you do this, but I cheated a little. I took a chemical to get me into state. I do not recommend this, but I want to speed up my learning process for game, so I wanted a guaranteed way to get into state. So I start approaching. Felt a little ill at first (huge head rush!). But it calmed and state soon followed. Anyway, sat by this purple haired lady, started talking. I think I nicked a ciggy from her. I generated loads of attraction, loads of push pull, randomness, interupting her, misinterpretation etc. I number closed her within 10mins. I made friends with her friends! They were very comfortable with me talking to her after around 15 mins. So I made an excuse to isolate. I just led her by the hand. A lot of kino. Led her to the bar, then bounced her to the dance floor, a little dancing, led her back to her friends in the smoking lounge. The conversation was still kind of very fun. Anyway at that point the crew were leaving, so I asked her to come along. She was staying put with her friends so I said I would text her to let her know where we were going.

I texted her at our next venue, didn't reply. I felt this was the closest I've come to an F-close in a long time. The one thing not in it's favour is that there wasn't the opportunity to build a strong connection there. The conversation was too fun. Even though I had intent, I was too much the "dancing monkey". She didn't have a chance to "game" me. Anyway this was a good night, simply because I know where I made the mistakes rather then wondering "where did I go wrong?"

Anyway, may be out tonight if I don't have shit to sort out.

Stay safe...


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Default 22-08-2009, 04:41 PM

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Hey man,

'strong success neural pathways'! If this is true, you need to spend a little time on self-examination. What is it in you that prevents you from believing in yourself even though you now have stacks of reference experience?
Ok, coming from a position of very little success with women in the past. Take the activity of learning to drive a car. You are pretty new. You have had two lessons where you have actually driven the car. Awesome! Relevant neural pathways are being reinforced. Awesome! However, you're not quite ready to take the driving test! You need to still internalise all the manouvers etc. You need successful driving experiences, then you will pass the driving test. Using this analogy with "game", I've only ever driven 4 times and have tried to drive without reading the manual. Driving analagous to the "F-Close".

However I think I may have a more solid pickup model now. Something that kind of resonates with me more, rather than going in completely random, hope for the best then wonder "what went wrong?"

You're right in saying I've got stacks of reference experiences. Probably more than most. This actually puts me at an advantage now, especially when I subconsciously superimpose these experiences onto a slightly more solid pickup strategy: isolation, value inversion, rapport and qualification, the four areas where I've been falling.

At the end of the day, outer game is only a vehicle to project your good inner state. But I feel, and others on this forum have commented, this piece of the puzzle has been lacking somewhat in my game.

And I F-Closed Tom twice last night...bet you're jealous.



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Default 22-08-2009, 05:21 PM

I did read your post. I get your point. You're basically saying I'm thinking about this too much, taking it much too seriously and I should just chill out and bond with the boys once and a while. You think Me thinking too much about this is stopping me getting laid. I should just have fun (and others have told me this too)

Man, I'm glad I have friends up here in Manchester. I've always had to endure my ex-missus friends, while not being outgoing enough to make my own friends. Yeh, chilling is fine, but, I need to get this shit nailed asap so, approach, approach, approach. I suppose chillin from an authentic abundant frame is way easier, than from a position of lack. But, that's where Mystery and Tyler started (and the list goes on)

But, I love hanging out with you guys, you're total madheads.

I'll also probably join you in some day game at some point.


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Default 22-08-2009, 08:27 PM

Kowalski you do post some amazingly well thought out posts on here
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Lightbulb 23-08-2009, 01:13 AM

[quote=sapmi;5641]

(whatever you guys think, I reckon, for me anyway, it's good to have moments of "Oh fuck! thats what I did wrong, douchebag!" it means you're learning)

Friday 22nd August:


I texted her at our next venue, didn't reply. I felt this was the closest I've come to an F-close in a long time.


Hey Scampi man, my first piont is... the first quote, realising you did something wrong as soon as they interaction is over is a very very good indication to you getting better because your are learning and picking up on things str8 away... the only thing i can say to monday nite was i thought sometimes you was a little bit too upfront sometimes you have to be that little bit cooler, you can still play cooler whilst puttin pressure and forcing the interaction. (all depends on situation tho, sometimes you need to be all upfront and pushy in a girls face to get her attention but at other times you need to slow the openin down, a little, to capture their attention.) The only other thing to that nite which is more related to myself was that talkin about being in state, was not something i usually do beforehand, which then lead me to think a little bit more whereas naturally i never think of being in state before or during the time im out and things run alot more smoothly for example thursday nite... =] + im sorry i didnt get in touch with you i ended up in 5th ave and always have bad signal in their and ended up with a blonde chick who was fairly hot but i will b in touch next week.

My second piont... i have been in the same situation before and actually fairly recently about the text and the girl not replyin... not so much being to an f-close (but i still wanted it to be an f-close alot because she was reli hot) because you have to always presume the game is on and just because you have got so far with a lady she wont always open her legs... (this is possibly where the mystery method may come in handy... you need to build comfort and attraction first... i suggest reading these sections again and picking up on them more in-game) so not until you have actually done this you wont get to f-close unless you pay haha... dont presume shes good for a fuck because you constantly have to work it until literally she is eating out your hand... like the blonde bird i pulled the first time we went opus she was lappin it up i was sat there and her hands were exploring everywhere and i didnt even have to kino to much... i did a little im not going to lie... i was touchin her arm and waist suttley but it was more about the way i acted i built lots of attraction... i teased her and made her feel really comfortable and also by showing her lots of higher value compared to other guys she was with and it worked. so get it out your mind that your not actually goin to get chance to f-close, until basically, you've actually got her nickers down and you have your dick or face in her minge. always presume the game is on and you have to work it till she gives you it.. as to most girls it means much more to them, to open there legs as you have to tick there boxes.

hope this gave you some insight and anyone feel free to comment on it and give your input.

Shak
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Default 29-08-2009, 05:15 PM

Sat here in this Mad Cafe in Withington called Fuel, where you can surf the net, watch comedy and play board games...only in Manchester!

On with the show!

Saturday 22nd Aug

Went out with Stafford to a house party in an upside down house in Salford (what is the point of Salford?). We walked from Hulme, so it was quite an adventure, since we got lost. Stepped in, was sociable, got chatting to people. Got chatting to this gorgeous brazillian girl, but, unfortunately she had her boyfriend there. He was actually a really cool guy, and he kept offering me beers..

Next we headed out to Funkedemia (or a variation of that word) on 1 central street. Nice venue..I wasn't quite feeling it..anxious about my house moving the day after. Opened sets..kind of hooked one girl, but not enough to close. We headed home early, since I had an early start!

Monday 24th August.
Thought I would pop down to tiger tiger. Again as always on a Monday it gets quite busy. I was doing a weird thing and not approaching because "I didn't feel in the mood", what the fuck Mark! I got going eventually, but I kind of struggled with myself that night. Disappointing because I didn't approach and interact enough! However I did try Shock and Awe (blaming the girl for being hot) a couple of times. Didn't work that well, but the more I practice this, the better it will be.

Thursday 27th Aug:
After improv, we headed to 5th Avenue. My key mantra was "act as if!" Whether I feel in the mood or not, I will approach sets..if I get blown out, fine! It's funny! One interaction I remember, I made a flyer into a paper aeroplane and gave it to a seated 2 set. They then proceeded to throw it around the place and they made they're own paper planes. Awesome! I opened this one girl, and literally my mind went blank...that was weird, so I blew myself out. Opened some ladies sat outside having a cig. They were both really hot and seemed into me. This shit really confuses the hell out of me. What to do? Anyway, got chatting to more people. Then venue shuts just as I was getting warmed up..

Thursday for me was a good night because I learned "act as if!"...You're not in state? Cool! Just approach..because whether you get blown out or not, you get accustomed to it. Like going into the sea. Go in too slowly it's freezing! Just run into that sea, you'll get used to it!

Friday 28th August -

I was feeling a bit rock/gothy and positive, so there was only one obvious venue, Jillys! Went out with Rood. We went to Grand Central and the Salisbury to warm up. Thought - act as if - approached sets. Went a bit poor, but I could sense my state rising. We went to subspace, where I was approaching as much as I could. Obviously with each approach, the interaction was more interesting and hence, I could learn stuff. I approach this dancing women, started to twirl her etc. Was a cool interaction. Then proceeded to talk to more ladies. We then went to the Font. Spoke to a two set for a while, but got shit tested to smitherines, and I got blown out. Good learning experience.

So finally we were feeling Jillys. We went in, then Rood became ill! I was worried for him, fed him water etc. He kind of fell asleep and woke up. He went home, OK in the end. Meanwhile, Stafford and his housemates turn up, awesome. So I stumble across his other dancing girl. Opened her, twisted her, attraction sparked. Cool. I thought, "lets game the fuck out of her". Led her away from the dance floor and chatted. I first amped the attraction up. I used Randomness, Cocky and Funny, Push Pull and scenario "We're getting Married", hooked! Now I actually remembered what to do next! I started to Vibe and Rapport with her. Usually I burn myself out by being random, cocky and funny all the time! But once I had attraction, I CHILLED!!! (and her friends liked me!) I got her number pretty early on in the interaction, (its easy to get a number in the attraction phase, just hand the phone over!) I then sent hints about my cool place and my italian wine collection. She asked, "has it got Pizza?" One mistake I made, I didn't push for the exit hard enough! One good thing, I won her friends over! I kept bouncing her to the bar and back, always leading. Her friends were making hints that they wanted to leave. So after about an hour of talking to her, we made out for around two minutes (love snogging girls!). Once she left, we texted back and forth a few times.

One mistake I made was that I didn't qualify her. This may result in a flake. I called her today, no answer, and no way to leave a message. So I'll text her. I didn't reply to her last text anyway (I was sleepin!), so we'll see.

So, I had a little success, just needed to push the ejection that bit further and remember to qualify. To be honest, it's pretty text book stuff. And it's good I have a little structure now, since I can troubleshoot.

Lastest: She's not flaking, just sent me a cheeky text, saying she's been at work...phone game city...



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Default 09-09-2009, 10:02 PM

Haven't been able to post much because of logistics (i.e no internet).
It's great to be back online

Keeping this installment short. Been flunctuating in and out of state. My approach numbers were fairly average, but I haven't hooked much at all. Had a horrid Friday that nearly ended in a fight.

Saturday, I opened a few sets, nearly K-closed a girl infront of her boyfriend (I quickly defused the situation), got a polish girl to chase me after I found out I didn't fancy her, then kind of lost state.

Monday: Went to tiger tiger. Saw a girl I approached on the Thursday in 5th. I couldn't keep the interaction going! Got very slammed though...the night became a blur.

Hopefully my diary will get better now I have internet. Just can't wait to read my drunken posts!

Oh, and the girl from last week flaked....typical


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Default 10-09-2009, 09:11 AM

Like people say learn from what went wrong in these situations
It definitely does help

And if you don't get any it's not a failure, it's just a rehearsal
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Default 30-09-2009, 12:00 PM

Hi Guys,

More self indulgent diary writing again. Read and weep . I hadn't been keeping this up much because of internet connection problems and other things, but it seems that my game has gone onto a slightly higher level. For instance, girls seem to be more receptive to my Kino, I'm approaching even more. More sets are hooking and I seem get into state more often.

At the moment, one of my main aims when I go out is to have a fun night. Fun as in what I find fun (self amusing). This means dancing like a complete idiot, talking to random strange dudes and generally being sociable on my terms. (yeh, me me me me me!)

I'm still sometimes stuck in conversation land. Can speak to girls for 30min-1hour with no action, but, alot of Kino. I'm at the stage now, where I'm aiming for the extraction. Although, I need to be more insistent.

I'm starting to approach mixed sets! The way I'm doing this is being social to the guys, asking where they're from etc. Last Thursday, opened this mixed set, with 1 guy and 6 girls. Don't laugh guys because I wouldn't have dreamed of opening this a few weeks ago, because of the guy! Ended up talking to Kirsten Dunst look alike (very uncanny, plus I love Kirsten Dunst!) who was American! Had a boyfriend, but got on really well. Lots of hugs, Kino, tried to K-close 3 times, but boyfriend (confirmed by her friends too ).

I then proceeded to open a set of 5 guys and 1 girl on the dance floor! Hi 5ed the guys first, chatted to them, asked how they knew each other. Turned out they were all work colleagues, I then grabbed the girl from the set, isolated her, and started to grind. Went well for a few minutes, but I couldn't believe what I had done, went into my head and blew the set ...But I know now it's possible to open mixed sets.

Went to the Ritz on Saturday and I took drugs again (bubbles)...I became an approach machine, kiss closed twice, number closed, but no pull home! I started to offend alot of guys in their for my mad approaching. But the number one rule is "don't give a fuck what anyone thinks!" I will not do that stuff for three weeks. I'm may have come across very weird then. If i did, I apologise!

Went to Opus Monday. Again, concentrated on having fun. Not many hooks to be honest, some blow outs, but I kept approaching. Saw this complete stunner by the ladies toilets. Opened "who are you", she said a word, so I grabbed her and made out with her. I broke up with her first, wanted to lead her somewhere to chat, but no, she went back to her friends.

So in summary. I'm doing things that were completely out of my reality a few months ago. My final piece of the puzzle is taking the dominant, leading frame. Leading with a smile. It will take a little more calibration and practice from me, but I'll get there. I'm quite lucky because I've got load of resources I can draw from, and people to speak to.


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Default 03-10-2009, 03:03 AM

No Drugs this time, just Vodka!
went to Satans Armpit with Darood and Carmel Skin, who happened to have the porn star moustache of glory....
Basically, became am approach machine, made out with 2 or three women and some guy was trying to cock block me! Every other set I went in, this guy dragged the girl away, what the fuck? Am I starting to offend other guys? One guy recognised me from opus and said I was the guy coming on to all the girls! Are guys becoming jealous of me because of all the girls I'm making out with? I do try my best and make friends with the guys, especially mixed sets. However guys are starting to tool me alot more now (jealousy?)... but obviously with going out, it takes practice to handle these guys. If you people have any hints/tips in handling cock block guys, I'm all ears. Damn, I still need to pull a girl home back to my place!


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