Yes i have thought about day game. Just need to get something sorted and i'm not sure about openers / escalating etc during the day.

Might not find a LTR on a night out... but a shag would be nice!

It's just cash.. when i get my bonus i'll have a 1on1 / boot camp, but cash is a little tight at the moment

That was a quality set Really enjoyed it. Shame i couldn't find a chair to lock in, but very enjoyable. Almost forgotten about that one

I'm up for a bit of that in a weeks time. Will be cool... disappointed you don't want to dance though

Retro

Well, one step at a time mate. I’d recommend a starting point of a day mission of opening girls on the street. I have tried this a few times now. I went up to 5 girls in one session and asked them for directions (as suggested by Neil Strauss). This is a start. It is surprising how daunting it is, as people seem so unapproachable in the street. However, once opened I was surprised by the reactions of the girls and their seeming willingness to stay and chat. Some of them dilly dallied with directions and asked questions extending the conversation.

The good thing about day game is girls will not feel like they are worth a million dollars as they will not be all dolled up with outfits and make-up in the same manner as a bar or club. They are also least expecting you to approach them in a daytime environment, a positive thing, if you want to be different to all the other guys. The best bit for a girl though is that apparently they will find it way more exciting to tell their friends they were picked up doing something mundane like grocery shopping as opposed to being on a night out in a bar, bars being the usual state of affairs.

It is these reasons I am very interested in developing day game.

Retro-

Day game feels harder to approach than night! but the rewards are better, I have tons more IOI's than in night game. girls dont expect to meet future partners in night clubs/bars... I guess this is'nt a rule... I read that your after LTR???

everyone of my friends and there partners never met in a night clubs!!!

I do use situational openers in day game if I am in the supermarket ''whats the diffrence bettween those apples and those''?

Hey guys, real quick, what's the difference if you love someone versus you are IN love with someone?


sinstyle.

Oh and i'm not knocking it on the head... after going out every Friday and Saturday for the last 3 or 4 months, i'm parted out, almost falling asleep at work and losing the enthusiasm for pick-up. I'm looking to have one or two weeks off and hopefully the bug will bit back again and give me the boost to get back on it again.

Retro,

It was a pleasure gaming with you over Friday and Saturday nights. I think you're right to take a break from game for a while and take stock of where you're at, where you have come from and to devise a mental blue-print for where you want to be and how you are going to get there. I remember seeing a post of yours a while back where you were talking about the progress you had made in the last 6 months and the progress you would like to make in the coming 6 months. What is clear is that you have made tremendous progress in that 6 months and I am confident you will make steady progress in the coming months. Once you've taken a short break and had time to reflect you will feel more refreshed and revitalised and you'll be chomping at the bit to get back out there.

As a community we should strive to help one another out where we can, be honest with each other and where necessary give constructive criticism. I'm going to give my complete honest opinion;

First off - Read Kowalski's post and treat it like GOLD!...he has taken the time to write you that post and he consistently gives good, sound advice. I cannot agree more with what he says in his post.

Secondly - I agree with what Adam says about you're reluctance to do certain things and this can make you seem abit stubborn, this is not a criticism merely an observation from the limited amount of time I've spent gaming with you.

I get the impression that your mind works analytically and incredibly logically (this makes sense and is suited to you're job in I.T.) and that you have a need to see something working in order to believe that it works. In terms of game, there are no magic bullets what works for some people may not necessarily work for others, im sure you can already appreciate this, but the point im trying to make is that I feel you put too much faith into the openers, the routines (both their content and structure) to get results.

Nova earlier suggested to you to perhaps try out some day game you're response was;

'Yes i have thought about day game. Just need to get something sorted and i'm not sure about openers / escalating etc during the day'

Rather than being focused on what to say, and how you can escalate etc I feel you should work more on HOW you say it. This goes back to what Kowalski talks about in his post. Approach with a confident frame and you can pretty much get away with saying anything. I had a few epiphany moments the weekend and one of them was just that, if you're projecting a positive and confident frame you can shoot out any shit; Jynx was talking to two girls Friday night, I walk over Jynx says to me 'These two are lesbians' Without thinking I say; 'Cool, so do you guys squirt and gush all over each other for fun?' (whilst demonstrating with my fingers how to make a girl squirt).

I wasn't thinking, just doing. They were totally cool with what i'd said, no adverse reactions, no drinks spilt on me, slaps in the face etc. A few weeks ago I would have thought to myself 'I can't say that!!, what will they think? they'll probably slap me' basically relaying negative outcomes in my head or thinking 'It's sleazy'. It's not sleazy if communicated in a non-sleazy way, if anything its just flirting.

Essentially what im getting at is; put less faith in the openers and routines and more faith in yourself.

Thirdly, don't think too logically or over-analyze this stuff. Women are far less logical and more emotional than us. With a women 2+2 might not necessarily equal 4. Again on Saturday, you pointed out a 3 set for me to open. I said 'Come with me and hold my hand' and I told you to trust me on it. You flatly refused, I then asked Tom to do it, and Tom being Tom was more than happy to oblige. We walked over to the set and opened them holding each others hands. The girls didn't even batter an eyelid and we told them we were straight, no questions asked. We had a good interaction with them and ended up bouncing them like you saw.

My point is, open you're mind to things you wouldnt ordinarily be open to doing (for whatever reason). There is tremendous self-discovery to be had by pushing your boundries.

Lastly - Stay in a set for longer, just keep pushing it. When you feel conversation is begining to fizzle out or that you're begining to over-stay you're welcome, hang in there, go through the pain period. Its the only way to learn how to keep interactions going and flowing for longer. This is something I need to work on as well.

Please don't see what i've been telling you as an attack, it's certainly not. Its simply my honest opinion from what i've seen of you out gaming and I hope you will take on board what i've said as constructive.

I'm certainly WAY WAY WAY away from being the finished article myself, I have sticking points but 6 or so weeks ago when I first met some of you guys, Kowalski asked me to open a set and I couldnt do it, I was paralyzed with fear and mumbling excuses. Since then I feel i've made good progress, mainly by just letting my self go with the flow.

There is alot of potential in you and sooner or later you will reach it and when you do you'll realise all these nights out (good and bad) were worth it!!

All the best

One last thing, boy can you move on the dance floor!! not many men can say that but you've got some slick moves, you should play up to that more!!