Hey Bres - yep we've all been there and been put firmly in the friend-zone and unfortunately once she has put you there is a nightmare to try and get out again...I have my fair share of similar stories to the other guys here. The only way forward, as has already been said, is to make sure that when you meet girls you don't give them any excuse to put you into the friend-zone.

Now a lot of people go in sexual from the start - a friend of mine is awesome at - but for me I sometimes find this more difficult and so I have developed a way of going in under the radar a bit more but still use comfort-building to stay out of the friend zone...for example when I meet a girl in a bar or where-ever, I appear very friendly and casual but I like to use a lot of kino to get touching her quickly and get her used to me touching her! I often (very quickly into the approach) use my thumb to wipe off an imaginary speck of something from her cheek or will brush a stand of hair out of her eyes...these kind of actions are associated with an intermit relationship and so by doing this quite intermit gesture whilst staying casual she perceives me as a friendly guy where-as her brain is registering a deeper connection. I also use the false time-line of taking her to a different area of the bar or if possible a different bar all-togther to appear she has known me longer than she actually has by maybe 3 different locations in an hour.

Then I run a routine similar to the Evolutional Phase Shift to esculate the kino into a kiss close - but whatever your prefered method; good conversation, magic tricks, kino, routines, etc make sure you are making it clear you want more than just friends and that you won't settle for just friends. Feel free to private message me if you want to chat further Bres.

Apologies for any inconveniece caused

lol @ Kowalski!

Bres - you find what works for you - each of us get better results with different material... I think regardless of what you decide works for you follow the basic rule; Don't be afraid to tell her/show her what you want - and don't apologise for being that way either!

Ha Kowalski still taking no prisoners....I love it!

I'll be honest with you. I'm just loving reading both what Shark & Kowalski have to say, the rest of the thread falls into insignificance. Ha

"Womans virtue, is mans greatest invention"

Yep. That's what most of us do isn't it...offer advice based on our own experiences?

As I said in both my posts above....Bres - you need to find what works for you - (whatever that is) Feel free to disregard my comments - but if you post and ask for help I'll offer what I can

Kowalski - we obviously have very different approaches - but hey...so what - we both get laid when we want to and the huge diversity of styles and techniques is what makes this Forum the happy, friendly place we all love

I must say, that was very well put Shark.

(Wish there was a like button)

"Womans virtue, is mans greatest invention"