not a bad night.

however, had one or two dampeners.

Invited HB8 from wednesday night out on saturday with my mates. I was wanting her to bring a mate of hers or two.. so that i could intermingle with her mates and go off on my own, do some new sarging etc...

Anyways, she came along, but on her own! Which was a strain as it was particularly difficult to leave her on her own... i did quickly introduce her to all my m8s and some of their gf's etc. She did look very hot i have to say, and being with her on my arm for the night did greatly increase my value, was getting a lot of looks from other girls, including two of my sisters friends, who approached me, and wanted to dance etc... classic!

Anyways, i decided to make the most of having her around, so with minimal kino, i got some hardcore K-closing done... infact i think we K-closed for about an hour solid... after that i was thinking about an F-close.
So after summore K-closing as it was drawing to 2am, i said...

'dont want to sound too forward, but if u still wana hang out, u can come back to mine after this...'

her prompt reply: 'maybe next time'



Was interesting, not sure whether it was worth proposing that question or not? i kinda in hindsight think shes gna be a 3-4 dater before i can get the F-close. I get the feeling shes one of the girls Blanca remarked on before, who dont necessarily realise they are hot, and also their socially conditioned values make them think they have to be in a real relationship to have sex with someone.....

Anyways, she knows at least im wanting more, however i feel she might be a bit like the other girl ive been dating 'keen in the wrong things'... each of them want me to go out and be a bit too 'lovey-dovey' rather than having more of a fun-based relationship like i want....

anyways, that was basically my night.

Picard.

Sounds like it went well Pic! Can't argue with an hour of K-closing mate, good effort that. And yeah, the F-close thing sounds like a case of her social conditioning leading her actions. One way around this could be to simply frame it so that you expect her to come back to yours, as if its the most natural thing in the world. So get to 2am and instead of asking her if she wants to come back to yours, you could just say "I've got some great tea you can try when we get home" or whatever (ok thats lame, but you get the idea!)

Or - defuse her resistance by going "Look, I know you're hoping to come back to my place, which is cool and you're welcome, but I don't sleep with girls until I know I can trust them".

And then try and sleep with her.



I'm sure others will have much better ideas than I on that! But on the whole mate it sounds like you had a really good night!

lols, CO im gna try this one, even if it doesnt work, could play it off as humour!

cheers,

Pic.

Sounds like you had a good time Picard - I know what you mean about having a girl on your arm. I always struggled to understand why attracting girls was so unbelievably easy when I had a girlfriend, but now I know it's quite entertaining to watch when, for example, I walk into a bar with one of my flatmates on my arm. Like seeing the matrix, as it's been referred to before!

I agree with what CO said, if you frame it as you expecting her to come back, your dominant reality will win out over her weaker one, and the little beauty about you not sleeping with girls you don't trust will be good for breaking down her resistance. As long is it's true...I don't condone lying to get girls into bed.

i fuckin LOVE this!... imagine walking thru the club, and seeing Green digitised phone numbers trickling down your vision... i have time for this!!!

K-Closing Terminology: K-dawg You're completely right, the closing element really only applies to the initial time. but i just love using the term 'K-Closing' and its sluttier older sister 'F-Closing'


Im about to start cutting lost 2 girls im getting with at the mo... this pm ive had texts from 2 'virgin clingers' as Vince Vaughan refers to them in Wedding Crashers... (im sure theyre not virgins, but theyre actually too keen, its put me off them tbh)

Picard Out.

I want to do some K-dogging

Sounds like a great night with plenty to learn... as they say, you never a bad night, it's all good learning. Anyway, first off I am not keen on you asking her back to yours. Asking a girl anything in the first few interactions shows weakness when girls are expecting to be led. Whoever she is she will not want to make the decission to go to bed with you, she wants it to just happen, so it's down to you to make this for her. And like K says, don't assume she is one type of girl because she turned your offer down. This reminds me of the recent http://www.puaforum.co.uk/pua-genera...-feminist.html thread, an attitude where all girls are boxed-off into catagories via assumptions.

yeah i rememebr this thread.. and i thought it was too broad and there was too much overlap between the categories, which made me disagree with a lot of it... however, after meeting her and seeing how she reacts to things, it is reasonable to say that she has particular traits which would lead one to beleive that she is of this, for lack of better words 'type' of girl, it fits the observations i made tbh.

Pic.

'dont want to sound too forward, but if u still wana hang out, u can come back to mine after this...'

tbh I think that statement is part of the problem. I was talking to a female friend of mine and she said that she doesnt like it when guys say "do you wanna come back to mine"

She said, that the best way to get a girl back to your room is to say "are you hungry? (9/10 they will be after a night out) then say I have some food back at mine!" Grab a pizza then off to the bedroom.

I can also see the logic behind this too, if you imply the words "do you wanna come back to mine" most girls will know this means sex, therefore they cannot backwards rationalise anything as they agreed. However if they come back for food and things start to happen, she can justify to her friends or whoever that she went back to grab some food.

Any thoughts?

NO.FX

Some good points there No.fx