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Default 22-08-2014, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kowalski View Post
Are you fucking mental? Say that to the person who is literally physically beating people down and murdering them.
There is no evidence to suggest that the OP actually conducts such attrocities other than an admission to being a soldier. I will agree that, in the least, he is complicit in manslaughter but based on his admission to being a soldier alone

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You mean, again, that we shouldn't criticise others for making the decision to beat down and murder others. You don't actually mean that we shouldn't beat down on each other or when this guy joined the forum and said that is what he does for a living you would have responded saying "we shouldn't be beating each other down". But you didn't, you said that to me instead. Har de fucking har.
Honestly I think your comments went too far, they were just plain insulting to begin with.

The guy posted twice and even tried to engage you which you responded with, what he obviously took (and from my perspective), another insulting post before he responded rather rashly (and aggressively)

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And, what action should we take, if even criticising murderers is wrong in your eyes?! I'm flabbergasted.
There is no proof that he is a murderer other than your assertion/accusation.

I'm not talking about not taking any action but taking positive action.

Calling somebody a cunt isn't positive action, in what way does it improve the situation? Engaging in campaigns, education, protests and petitioning is positive action (plus many other positive options).
Calling somebody a cunt on the internet is petty, is it something you do in real life? do you do it to armed forces personel who are friends/relatives of friends?

For me there is also the question of what would be achieved by calling the OP a cunt? For me he isn't going to stop his armed forces career because some guy on the internet called him a name. Engaging, educating and providing an inspiration/example however are better options. They are more time consuming and not always successful but they have a better success rate than calling somebody a cunt.
Admittedly it's a rather simplistic way of looking at it but is is more simplistic that every soldier = murderer?

How would you suggest we deal with them? I am genuinely interested on any solution you may have. Attaching a social stigma is one way, however I would only be interested in legal methods (methods that are permitted by law as opposed to legal trial)

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You sound just like Kyle's mum, or Duncan fucknut Butlin, right now - War is ok just so long as no one uses dirty words.
K, I'm not as intelligent as you, I'm not as well informed psychologically, socialogically or philosophically. Nor do I possess your succint talent for perception and effective writing.

I dont think that war is ok. but there are many ways that wars are commenced. Waging war against another country for resources or revenge imho is never acceptable. But stepping in to stop defenseless slaughter of minorities is still war and I would say we have a moral obligation to defend those who cannot protect themselves.

I do think that people should use dirty words. I think there is a time and a place for all language as it holds particular meaning, relavance and gravity which by using the correct words with appropriate actions we can effectively communicate.

I see 2 sets of victims caused by a corrupt elitist hierarchy:
The people being killed in their homeland under the guise of some war on terror, defense of the righeous bullshit excuse to invade and conquer natural resources in the name of self-defense whilst the invader's corporate pals strip out all of the newly acquired natural resources

The victims of social ills who become soldiers. Suffered from poverty, abuse, poor education, etc. they are "given" a way out by joining the army painted as some fantastic place to be where they'll be respected heroes paid well but actually find themselves getting them or their mates killed trying to evict farmers from oil fields so that some posh etonian can leave an even bigger trust fund to his son tarquin.
They end up burned out at 40 with a drinking problem, PTSD and aggressive tendancies not knowing what to do with their lives believing that they "did the right thing" and "led a good righteous life".


I would like to see a solution where the class system is defeated and would hopefully eradicate both sets of victims, but that would require a leader and some sort of catalystic event to inspire or provoke people into taking action and "revolting", something that would shake them from their consumeristic world of comfort.

What do you think it would take to build a world free from the approach of living to have things? How could it be acheived?

Historical evidence suggests that it is human nature to build empires/countries/states/tribes and that despite many people's best efforts war will always be a part of humanity and that world peace or even states without some form of military power may never be possible.

Again I defer to you as a person more educated in philosophy and psychology as to whether it would even be a possibility to achieve world peace and would that be achieved through any current political system?

I don't have the solution to make it stop though I often wish somebody did. Maybe they do but they can make more money by keeping it quiet

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Originally Posted by kowalski View Post
I hope some of this gets through to you somehow.
I understand your points and something has to be done about the situation.

I dont think bullying the little people at the bottom is the right course of action. It's similar to shouting abuse a prostitutes because of the sex slave trade.

I like to keep things simple because simple solutions work and for me;
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Life's tough, why make it tougher for each other?
Dont beat each other down
*other simple, cliché phrases

Maybe I'm naive... do you think I'm mental?


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