I made those comments about qualifying and approval seeking as a joke.. I could have chosen anything at random.. I also said something about using a "neg" somewhere, and I was doing the exact same thing.. because I find it funny how technical people can be, with all of the made-up terms that get thrown around. I think that is what intrigued me to check out this PUA stuff a little more. But like I said, I've found 99% trolls. weirdly it seems to be relationship forums where the nice people can be found, but I can't learn anything there. So one has too many trolls, and the other has nothing I don't already know. What a sticky situation.